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<div data-externalstyle="false" dir="ltr" style="font-family: 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif';font-size:12pt;"><div>I have my 89 year old cousin’s “divining rods”, with wood handles stored in their original box. Any time a lake showed up in a field he would get them out and go searching for the blocked drain tile. Normally came within a couple feet, within the backhoe bucket, of course he put in most of that tile, so…..<br></div><div data-signatureblock="true"><div><br></div><div>Aaron Dickinson</div><div>Mason Mi</div><div><br></div></div><div style="padding-top: 5px; border-top-color: rgb(229, 229, 229); border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid;"><div><font face=" 'Calibri', 'Segoe UI', 'Meiryo', 'Microsoft YaHei UI', 'Microsoft JhengHei UI', 'Malgun Gothic', 'sans-serif'" style='line-height: 15pt; letter-spacing: 0.02em; font-family: "Calibri", "Segoe UI", "Meiryo", "Microsoft YaHei UI", "Microsoft JhengHei UI", "Malgun Gothic", "sans-serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_parent">Cecil Bearden</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 7:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group</a></font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir="">
<p>We still locate water lines here with 2 bent
wires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/2020 3:54 PM, Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">I think he means rent one.
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:51
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nice, but $700 US. Ouch. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Martin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old
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<p>Surely your local hire company would have one of these
or similar?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008" target="_parent">https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008</a></p>
<p>Tom</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">On 26
February 2020 at 10:31 Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_parent">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
wrote: </p>
<p>I have thought about that, and have an old and a
newer 4 post lift just not installed. When you work
on both trucks and tractors, the lift can get in the
way. I would like to install the 4 post 30K lift, but
the floor has water pipes for heat under the slab. We
don't know where they are, and the posts have to have
a pier under them. The floor has 8" piers under the
slab, cannot remember where they are. I thought of
fastening 4' x 4' plates 1in thick to the floor and
then fasten the posts to them. The floor is
reinforced with reinforcing steel. I need to find the
reinforcing in the floor and try to miss the bars with
the plate anchors. <br>
Cecil</p>
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<p>Surely a two poster would be a better bet?</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">On
26 February 2020 at 08:29 Cecil Bearden <a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_parent"><crbearden@copper.net></a>
wrote: </p>
<p>Since I have a spinal problem and now one worn
out stiff knee, getting up and down under anything
is a problem. Once I get down I have to either
make do with what I have or haul all 300 lbs of
myself up and get what I need then when I get
within a foot of the floor, I usually just try to
fall on something soft!!!!!! I have seriously
been looking at this creeper made for aircraft. <span style="color: rgb(51, 102, 255);"><a href="https://ezcreeper.com/" target="_parent">https://ezcreeper.com/</a></span>
I just wish it was available with an electric
pump. I have been looking for a drill powered
hydraulic pump to adapt to this creeper. <br>
Cecil</p>
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<p>Which is what I do. And danged if I still
don't have the right one!</p>
<p>Ron Cook, Salix, IA</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a matter of fact I
turn 58 today, and I maintain my physical
fitness to the best of my ability, so you're
probably right in that regard. But sorry, I
reject the notion that bringing the wrong
wrench is a blood-pressure-raising event,
and I stand fast by my comment. This simply
isn't an argument against the metric
system. Seriously, just bring several
wrenches...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at
1:28 PM < <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_parent">deanvp@att.net</a>>
wrote: </p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Steve,</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You
may not have reached the age where
getting down and under a vehicle and
then getting back up is a major
effort. Having the wrong wrench when
I get under there is not a happy
event. Should I give up DIY
wrenching? Not a chance as long as my
body is still warm. If I didn’t keep
trying to do this stuff I would have
been 6’ under a long time ago, </p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Dean
VP</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Apache
Junction, AZ</p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">From:</span></strong> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
<strong><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">On
Behalf Of </span></strong>Stephen
Offiler<br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong>
Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:18 AM<br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">To:</span></strong>
Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_parent">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong>
Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old
tractors are not metric and a fairly
simple tutorial</p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You
might want to re-think the whole DIY
wrenching thing if that's all it
takes to get your blood pressure up.</p>
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Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:13 AM
ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" target="_parent">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">It
was a evil plot to sell us another
set of tools. The proof is I still
need two sets to service my modern
pickup.</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </p>
<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">It
sells a lot of blood pressure
meds. Especially when I crawl
under the darn thing only to find
that one d@m bolt is metric
causing a cussing wrench throwing
fit as I crawl back out to get
that evil metric wrench.</p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><span style="color: rgb(109, 0, 246); font-family: Roboto;">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at
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> On 25 February 2020 at
17:12 John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_parent">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Don't know why they
couldn't change pipe threads,
after all the rest of <br>
> the planet uses 60 deg,
not 55 for the British
threads. Can't really see <br>
> how it is simpler than
what we use. I mean how
exactly do the Japanese <br>
> explain such? Never seen
a German print in inches
either for that <br>
> matter. If metric is so
much better, then go all in I
say.<br>
<br>
Well the rest of the world for
a long time was British or
used British technology<br>
before Sellars came along with
his 60º thread form in the US.
The US wasn't a great exporter<br>
at the time, focusing more on
internal expansion &
self-sufficiency<br>
> <br>
> You missed the part about
leaving out the bastard pipe
threads, didn't <br>
> you? We did so much
hydraulic work at one point
that all I stocked was <br>
> NPTF, it works for NPT.
As you know, NPT covers the
vast majority, <br>
> while NPTF will cover the
majority of whats left. The
scraps can be left <br>
> to those who specialize
in oddities.<br>
> <br>
> Never needed an IH
bearing that I couldn't source
from wherever. The <br>
> only roller bearing I
ever needed that was
manufacture specific was the <br>
> plunger bearing on a New
Holland baler. Motion
industries finally was <br>
> able to cross it, but I
couldn't find it any where
else, not even <br>
> aftermarket ag parts. And
the bearing housing had to
come from New <br>
> Holland, nothing even
close. That set up cost me
close to $300<br>
> <br>
I think there is a slight time
frame difference in our work
experience,<br>
My experience with Cat, IH,
& AC was in the 60s &
70 and included <br>
machinery built in the 50s.
Cat & IH did insist on
bearings that were <br>
only Cat & IH inclusive,
whereas AC crawlers that used
more Timken style<br>
bearings, could be sourced
from any bearing supply co.
Five times cheaper<br>
than Cat Or IH equivalents.<br>
An interesting aside was that,
rarely was there a need for
machining with<br>
AC, Cat or, IH as regards
remedial repair of parts. Good
designs leave little<br>
room for improvement.<br>
<br>
> We have an entire section
of bastard taps at work, it
has just as many <br>
> oddball metrics as it
does english. It all depends
on the industries you <br>
> support as to what is in
your tool crib.<br>
><br>
Around here, its fruit and
meat processing. <br>
At the local Heinz cannery,
all the peach & pear lines
were American sourced,<br>
and the makers delighted in
shaft sizes like 1-7/16",
1-9/16" & 1-15/16"<br>
with ODs to match. Only source
was the manufacturer.<br>
Another delight was the
spaghetti extruder, it had a
50hp motor driving <br>
the extruder through reduction
gears, every every shaft was a
nominal size +<br>
a 1/16" Guess where the
bearings had to come from. It
had one bad design <br>
fault in that the heaviest
reduction had no hunting
teeth, and it had some<br>
very bad wear patterns
revealed on dismantling, had a
blank forged in Australia,<br>
it was about 600mm with a
152mm face. :-)<br>
> <br>
> I've found that engineers
don't always make stuff weird
so you have to <br>
> buy from them, its often
so you don't make a
substitution that <br>
> compromises the design.
But there are some that need a
plate glass <br>
> stomach.....<br>
"Plate glass stomach"? <br>
Don't know that saying,
although I have modified
modified maker's efforts<br>
for the better, when their
designs were found wanting.
Flattering when they<br>
come up with the same
improvement...<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> On 2/24/2020 10:41 PM,
Thomas Martin wrote:<br>
> >> On 25 February
2020 at 15:17 John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_parent">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Fun fact. Did
you know metric pipe threads
are actually in inches? They<br>
> >> are actually 55
deg threadform (British
Whitworth) but the pitch is in<br>
> >> metric. And the
real fun part is that the rest
of the planet can't even<br>
> >> decide how to
spec them on
drawing/print/blueprint.
Different countries<br>
> >> have different
designations for the same
thing. Off the top of my head,<br>
> >> I think there
are a combined 7 different
ways of designating metric
pipe<br>
> >> threads (taper
and straight), as opposed to
just 2. Now we won't split<br>
> >> hairs with short
projection, dryseal or other
specialty threads--lets<br>
> >> stick to 99.999%
of pipe threads.<br>
> >><br>
> >> FWIW, I have 30
years in a machine shop and
have continually used both<br>
> >> english and
metric without an issue. Its
the rest of the planet that<br>
> >> makes a big
ordeal out of it, we just grab
a print and go with it.<br>
> >> English, German,
Japanese--its all the
same--until we have to use<br>
> >> Translate Google
to figure out the notes.<br>
> >><br>
> >> One more fun
fact. Next time you need some
roller bearings for your old<br>
> >> tractor and
start measuring them only to
find they aren't exactly<br>
> >> english, convert
them to metric--you might
ought to sit down first.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I won't even get
into European conduit
threads--I've only had to do
them<br>
> >> twice.<br>
> >><br>
> >> John Hall<br>
> >><br>
> > Well, John<br>
> > Europe did adopt BSP
(British Standard Pipe)
threads<br>
> > back in the 19th
century, difficult to change
horses now.<br>
> > Quite a simple setup
compared to the American
system!<br>
> > Did you know that
the US has 11 diffent
derivatives of<br>
> > National Pipe
threads?<br>
> > As for 11-1/2 tpi
NPT, I bet many a lathe
manufacturer<br>
> > swore when Norton
invented the quick change
gearbox for<br>
> > lathes and provision
had to be made for that.<br>
> > In fact would say I
have cut more peculiar threads
of US<br>
> > origin that
elsewhere.<br>
> > That goes for
bearings also. Both
Caterpillar and IH used to<br>
> > get bearings,
especially taper-roller,
ground to their<br>
> > specific sizes, so
that only they could supply,
at a cost<br>
> > 5 to 10 times the
cost of a standard size!
Extortionate!<br>
> > Competition finally
forced them into
standardization in the finish.<br>
> > FMC was another who
engaged in the practice in
another field.<br>
> ><br>
> > Tom<br>
> >
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