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<div> <font size="2">I have a FLIR that I have used to check in floor heat pipes.  Works Great IF the heat is off and then turned on. So if the floor and pipes are at ground temp and then the heat applied you will get a fantastic view of the pipes.  My FLIR cost about $1500 several years ago and the prices have come down.  Have used it for electrical inspections, water leaks, engine exhaust temps, and heated floor observations .  I believe you could rent a FLIR or find a home inspector that would do it for you for $100 or so.</font></div>

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<div><font size="2">Gary</font></div>

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<div><font size="2">Renton, WA</font><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net><br>
To: at <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 4:21 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old tractors are not metric and a fairly simple tutorial<br>
<br>

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<div>I figured out he meant rent one, but there is not one in Oklahoma
      for rent.  The closest thing is made by Zircon and has a depth in
      concrete of 4-3/4 inches and is within 1/2 inch of location..... 
      Oklahoma is a third world country when it comes to technology.<br clear="none">
      Cecil<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6647161770moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/2020 3:54 PM, Stephen Offiler
      wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">I think he means rent one.
        
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<div>SO</div>

        
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<div class="yiv6647161770gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:51
          PM <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net">bradloomis@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">Nice, but $700 US. Ouch. </div>

              
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<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Martin<br clear="none">
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:41 PM<br clear="none">
                    <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
                    <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old
                    tractors are not metric and a fairly simple tutorial</div>

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<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal"> </div>

              
<div>Surely your local hire company would have one of these
                or similar?</div>

              
<div><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008">https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008</a></div>

              
<div>Tom</div>

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<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">On 26
                  February 2020 at 10:31 Cecil Bearden <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
                  wrote: </div>

                
<div>I have thought about that, and have an old and a
                  newer 4 post lift just not installed.   When you work
                  on both trucks and tractors, the lift can get in the
                  way.  I would like to install the 4 post 30K lift, but
                  the floor has water pipes for heat under the slab.  We
                  don't know where they are, and the posts have to have
                  a pier under them.  The floor has 8" piers under the
                  slab, cannot remember where they are.  I thought of
                  fastening 4' x 4' plates 1in thick to the floor and
                  then fasten the posts to them.   The floor is
                  reinforced with reinforcing steel.  I need to find the
                  reinforcing in the floor and try to miss the bars with
                  the plate anchors.  <br clear="none">
                  Cecil</div>

                
<div>
                  
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 2:14 PM, Thomas
                    Martin wrote: </div>

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<div>Surely a two poster would be a better bet?</div>

                  
<div>Tom</div>

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<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">On
                      26 February 2020 at 08:29 Cecil Bearden <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"><crbearden@copper.net></a>
                      wrote: </div>

                    
<div>Since I have a spinal problem and now one worn
                      out stiff knee, getting up and down under anything
                      is a problem.  Once I get down I have to either
                      make do with what I have or haul all 300 lbs of
                      myself up and get what I need then when I get
                      within a foot of the floor, I usually just try to
                      fall on something soft!!!!!!  I have seriously
                      been looking at this creeper made for aircraft. <span style="color:rgb(51,102,255);"><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://ezcreeper.com/">https://ezcreeper.com/</a></span>
                      I just wish it was available with an electric
                      pump.  I have been looking for a drill powered
                      hydraulic pump to adapt to this creeper.  <br clear="none">
                      Cecil</div>

                    
<div>
                      
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 12:56 PM, Ron
                        Cook wrote: </div>

                    </div>

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<div>Which is what I do.  And danged if I still
                        don't have the right one!</div>

                      
<div>Ron Cook, Salix, IA</div>

                      
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<div>
                        
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 12:47 PM,
                          Stephen Offiler wrote: </div>

                      </div>

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<div>
                          
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">As a matter of fact I
                            turn 58 today, and I maintain my physical
                            fitness to the best of my ability, so you're
                            probably right in that regard.  But sorry, I
                            reject the notion that bringing the wrong
                            wrench is a blood-pressure-raising event,
                            and I stand fast by my comment.  This simply
                            isn't an argument against the metric
                            system.  Seriously, just bring several
                            wrenches...</div>

                          
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<div>
                            
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">SO</div>

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                        </div>

                        
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal"> </div>

                        
<div>
                          
<div>
                            
<div class="yiv6647161770MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at
                              1:28 PM < <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a>>
                              wrote: </div>

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<div>
                              
<div>
                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Steve,</div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You
                                  may not have reached the age where
                                  getting down and under a vehicle and
                                  then getting back up is a major
                                  effort.  Having the wrong wrench when
                                  I get under there is not a happy
                                  event.  Should I give up DIY
                                  wrenching?  Not a chance as long as my
                                  body is still warm.  If I didn’t keep
                                  trying to do this stuff I would have
                                  been 6’ under a long time ago, </div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Dean
                                  VP</div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Apache
                                  Junction, AZ</div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></strong> AT <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                                  <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">On
                                      Behalf Of </span></strong>Stephen
                                  Offiler<br clear="none">
                                  <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong>
                                  Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:18 AM<br clear="none">
                                  <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">To:</span></strong>
                                  Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
                                  <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
                                  <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong>
                                  Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old
                                  tractors are not metric and a fairly
                                  simple tutorial</div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                
<div>
                                  
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You
                                    might want to re-think the whole DIY
                                    wrenching thing if that's all it
                                    takes to get your blood pressure up.</div>

                                  
<div>
                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                  </div>

                                  
<div>
                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">SO</div>

                                  </div>

                                </div>

                                
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                
<div>
                                  
<div>
                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">On
                                      Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:13 AM
                                      ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>>
                                      wrote:</div>

                                  </div>

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<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">It
                                      was a evil plot to sell us another
                                      set of tools. The proof is I still
                                      need two sets to service my modern
                                      pickup.</div>

                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> </div>

                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">It
                                      sells a lot of blood pressure
                                      meds. Especially when I crawl
                                      under the darn thing only to find
                                      that one d@m bolt is metric
                                      causing a cussing wrench throwing
                                      fit as I crawl back out to get
                                      that evil metric wrench.</div>

                                    
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature">Sent from
                                        AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div>

                                    
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<div>
                                        
<div>
                                          
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(109,0,246);">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at
                                              3:40 AM, Thomas Martin</span></div>

                                        </div>

                                        
<div>
                                          
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(109,0,246);"><<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tmartin@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank" href="mailto:tmartin@xtra.co.nz">tmartin@xtra.co.nz</a>>
                                              wrote:</span></div>

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<div style="margin-top:7.5pt;">
                                        
<div class="yiv6647161770gmail-m_-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><br clear="none">
                                          > On 25 February 2020 at
                                          17:12 John Hall <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>>
                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > Don't know why they
                                          couldn't change pipe threads,
                                          after all the rest of <br clear="none">
                                          > the planet uses 60 deg,
                                          not 55 for the British
                                          threads. Can't really see <br clear="none">
                                          > how it is simpler than
                                          what we use. I mean how
                                          exactly do the Japanese <br clear="none">
                                          > explain such? Never seen
                                          a German print in inches
                                          either for that <br clear="none">
                                          > matter. If metric is so
                                          much better, then go all in I
                                          say.<br clear="none">
                                          <br clear="none">
                                          Well the rest of the world for
                                          a long time was British or
                                          used British technology<br clear="none">
                                          before Sellars came along with
                                          his 60º thread form in the US.
                                          The US wasn't a great exporter<br clear="none">
                                          at the time, focusing more on
                                          internal expansion &
                                          self-sufficiency<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > You missed the part about
                                          leaving out the bastard pipe
                                          threads, didn't <br clear="none">
                                          > you? We did so much
                                          hydraulic work at one point
                                          that all I stocked was <br clear="none">
                                          > NPTF, it works for NPT. 
                                          As you know, NPT covers the
                                          vast majority, <br clear="none">
                                          > while NPTF will cover the
                                          majority of whats left. The
                                          scraps can be left <br clear="none">
                                          > to those who specialize
                                          in oddities.<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > Never needed an IH
                                          bearing that I couldn't source
                                          from wherever. The <br clear="none">
                                          > only roller bearing I
                                          ever needed that was
                                          manufacture specific was the <br clear="none">
                                          > plunger bearing on a New
                                          Holland baler. Motion
                                          industries finally was <br clear="none">
                                          > able to cross it, but I
                                          couldn't find it any where
                                          else, not even <br clear="none">
                                          > aftermarket ag parts. And
                                          the bearing housing had to
                                          come from New <br clear="none">
                                          > Holland, nothing even
                                          close. That set up cost me
                                          close to $300<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          I think there is a slight time
                                          frame difference in our work
                                          experience,<br clear="none">
                                          My experience with Cat, IH,
                                          & AC was in the 60s &
                                          70 and included <br clear="none">
                                          machinery built in the 50s.
                                          Cat & IH did insist on
                                          bearings that were <br clear="none">
                                          only Cat & IH inclusive,
                                          whereas AC crawlers that used
                                          more Timken style<br clear="none">
                                          bearings, could be sourced
                                          from any bearing supply co.
                                          Five times cheaper<br clear="none">
                                          than Cat Or IH equivalents.<br clear="none">
                                          An interesting aside was that,
                                          rarely was there a need for
                                          machining with<br clear="none">
                                          AC, Cat or, IH as regards
                                          remedial repair of parts. Good
                                          designs leave little<br clear="none">
                                          room for improvement.<br clear="none">
                                          <br clear="none">
                                          > We have an entire section
                                          of bastard taps at work, it
                                          has just as many <br clear="none">
                                          > oddball metrics as it
                                          does english. It all depends
                                          on the industries you <br clear="none">
                                          > support as to what is in
                                          your tool crib.<br clear="none">
                                          ><br clear="none">
                                          Around here, its fruit and
                                          meat processing. <br clear="none">
                                          At the local Heinz cannery,
                                          all the peach & pear lines
                                          were American sourced,<br clear="none">
                                          and the makers delighted in
                                          shaft sizes like 1-7/16",
                                          1-9/16" & 1-15/16"<br clear="none">
                                          with ODs to match. Only source
                                          was the manufacturer.<br clear="none">
                                          Another delight was the
                                          spaghetti extruder, it had a
                                          50hp motor driving <br clear="none">
                                          the extruder through reduction
                                          gears, every every shaft was a
                                          nominal size +<br clear="none">
                                          a 1/16" Guess where the
                                          bearings had to come from. It
                                          had one bad design <br clear="none">
                                          fault in that the heaviest
                                          reduction had no hunting
                                          teeth, and it had some<br clear="none">
                                          very bad wear patterns
                                          revealed on dismantling, had a
                                          blank forged in Australia,<br clear="none">
                                          it was about 600mm with a
                                          152mm face. :-)<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > I've found that engineers
                                          don't always make stuff weird
                                          so you have to <br clear="none">
                                          > buy from them, its often
                                          so you don't make a
                                          substitution that <br clear="none">
                                          > compromises the design.
                                          But there are some that need a
                                          plate glass <br clear="none">
                                          > stomach.....<br clear="none">
                                          "Plate glass stomach"? <br clear="none">
                                          Don't know that saying,
                                          although I have modified
                                          modified maker's efforts<br clear="none">
                                          for the better, when their
                                          designs were found wanting.
                                          Flattering when they<br clear="none">
                                          come up with the same
                                          improvement...<br clear="none">
                                          <br clear="none">
                                          Tom<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > John<br clear="none">
                                          > <br clear="none">
                                          > On 2/24/2020 10:41 PM,
                                          Thomas Martin wrote:<br clear="none">
                                          > >> On 25 February
                                          2020 at 15:17 John Hall <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>>
                                          wrote:<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >> Fun fact. Did
                                          you know metric pipe threads
                                          are actually in inches? They<br clear="none">
                                          > >> are actually 55
                                          deg threadform (British
                                          Whitworth) but the pitch is in<br clear="none">
                                          > >> metric. And the
                                          real fun part is that the rest
                                          of the planet can't even<br clear="none">
                                          > >> decide how to
                                          spec them on
                                          drawing/print/blueprint.
                                          Different countries<br clear="none">
                                          > >> have different
                                          designations for the same
                                          thing. Off the top of my head,<br clear="none">
                                          > >> I think there
                                          are a combined 7 different
                                          ways of designating metric
                                          pipe<br clear="none">
                                          > >> threads (taper
                                          and straight), as opposed to
                                          just 2. Now we won't split<br clear="none">
                                          > >> hairs with short
                                          projection, dryseal or other
                                          specialty threads--lets<br clear="none">
                                          > >> stick to 99.999%
                                          of pipe threads.<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >> FWIW, I have 30
                                          years in a machine shop and
                                          have continually used both<br clear="none">
                                          > >> english and
                                          metric without an issue. Its
                                          the rest of the planet that<br clear="none">
                                          > >> makes a big
                                          ordeal out of it, we just grab
                                          a print and go with it.<br clear="none">
                                          > >> English, German,
                                          Japanese--its all the
                                          same--until we have to use<br clear="none">
                                          > >> Translate Google
                                          to figure out the notes.<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >> One more fun
                                          fact. Next time you need some
                                          roller bearings for your old<br clear="none">
                                          > >> tractor and
                                          start measuring them only to
                                          find they aren't exactly<br clear="none">
                                          > >> english, convert
                                          them to metric--you might
                                          ought to sit down first.<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >> I won't even get
                                          into European conduit
                                          threads--I've only had to do
                                          them<br clear="none">
                                          > >> twice.<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > >> John Hall<br clear="none">
                                          > >><br clear="none">
                                          > > Well, John<br clear="none">
                                          > > Europe did adopt BSP
                                          (British Standard Pipe)
                                          threads<br clear="none">
                                          > > back in the 19th
                                          century, difficult to change
                                          horses now.<br clear="none">
                                          > > Quite a simple setup
                                          compared to the American
                                          system!<br clear="none">
                                          > > Did you know that
                                          the US has 11 diffent
                                          derivatives of<br clear="none">
                                          > > National Pipe
                                          threads?<br clear="none">
                                          > > As for 11-1/2 tpi
                                          NPT, I bet many a lathe
                                          manufacturer<br clear="none">
                                          > > swore when Norton
                                          invented the quick change
                                          gearbox for<br clear="none">
                                          > > lathes and provision
                                          had to be made for that.<br clear="none">
                                          > > In fact would say I
                                          have cut more peculiar threads
                                          of US<br clear="none">
                                          > > origin that
                                          elsewhere.<br clear="none">
                                          > > That goes for
                                          bearings also. Both
                                          Caterpillar and IH used to<br clear="none">
                                          > > get bearings,
                                          especially taper-roller,
                                          ground to  their<br clear="none">
                                          > > specific sizes, so
                                          that only they could supply,
                                          at a cost<br clear="none">
                                          > > 5 to 10 times the
                                          cost of a standard size!
                                          Extortionate!<br clear="none">
                                          > > Competition finally
                                          forced them into
                                          standardization in the finish.<br clear="none">
                                          > > FMC was another who
                                          engaged in the practice in
                                          another field.<br clear="none">
                                          > ><br clear="none">
                                          > > Tom<br clear="none">
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