<div dir="ltr">Thanks Brad! Best wishes to your big bro as well.<div><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:57 PM <<a href="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net">bradloomis@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">True, Oh and happy Birthday you two, but since he’s on the other side of the line is his the 26<sup>th</sup>? <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span> 25<sup>th</sup> is also my big bro’s 73<sup>rd</sup>. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Offiler<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old tractors are not metric and a fairly simple tutorial<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think he means rent one.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SO<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:51 PM <<a href="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net" target="_blank">bradloomis@charter.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nice, but $700 US. Ouch. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Martin<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old tractors are not metric and a fairly simple tutorial<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p>Surely your local hire company would have one of these or similar?<u></u><u></u></p><p><a href="https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008" target="_blank">https://www.bosch-pt.co.nz/nz/en/products/d-tect-150-sv-wallscanner-0601010008</a><u></u><u></u></p><p>Tom<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 26 February 2020 at 10:31 Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><p>I have thought about that, and have an old and a newer 4 post lift just not installed. When you work on both trucks and tractors, the lift can get in the way. I would like to install the 4 post 30K lift, but the floor has water pipes for heat under the slab. We don't know where they are, and the posts have to have a pier under them. The floor has 8" piers under the slab, cannot remember where they are. I thought of fastening 4' x 4' plates 1in thick to the floor and then fasten the posts to them. The floor is reinforced with reinforcing steel. I need to find the reinforcing in the floor and try to miss the bars with the plate anchors. <br>Cecil<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 2:14 PM, Thomas Martin wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p>Surely a two poster would be a better bet?<u></u><u></u></p><p>Tom<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 26 February 2020 at 08:29 Cecil Bearden <a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank"><crbearden@copper.net></a> wrote: <u></u><u></u></p><p>Since I have a spinal problem and now one worn out stiff knee, getting up and down under anything is a problem. Once I get down I have to either make do with what I have or haul all 300 lbs of myself up and get what I need then when I get within a foot of the floor, I usually just try to fall on something soft!!!!!! I have seriously been looking at this creeper made for aircraft. <span style="color:rgb(51,102,255)"><a href="https://ezcreeper.com/" target="_blank">https://ezcreeper.com/</a></span> I just wish it was available with an electric pump. I have been looking for a drill powered hydraulic pump to adapt to this creeper. <br>Cecil<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 12:56 PM, Ron Cook wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p>Which is what I do. And danged if I still don't have the right one!<u></u><u></u></p><p>Ron Cook, Salix, IA<u></u><u></u></p><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 2/25/2020 12:47 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">As a matter of fact I turn 58 today, and I maintain my physical fitness to the best of my ability, so you're probably right in that regard. But sorry, I reject the notion that bringing the wrong wrench is a blood-pressure-raising event, and I stand fast by my comment. This simply isn't an argument against the metric system. Seriously, just bring several wrenches...<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SO<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 1:28 PM < <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Steve,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You may not have reached the age where getting down and under a vehicle and then getting back up is a major effort. Having the wrong wrench when I get under there is not a happy event. Should I give up DIY wrenching? Not a chance as long as my body is still warm. If I didn’t keep trying to do this stuff I would have been 6’ under a long time ago, <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Dean VP<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">Apache Junction, AZ<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></strong> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> <strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Stephen Offiler<br><strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Tuesday, February 25, 2020 8:18 AM<br><strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">To:</span></strong> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [AT] Supposedly why our old tractors are not metric and a fairly simple tutorial<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">You might want to re-think the whole DIY wrenching thing if that's all it takes to get your blood pressure up.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">SO<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:13 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal">It was a evil plot to sell us another set of tools. The proof is I still need two sets to service my modern pickup.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">It sells a lot of blood pressure meds. Especially when I crawl under the darn thing only to find that one d@m bolt is metric causing a cussing wrench throwing fit as I crawl back out to get that evil metric wrench.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><a href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" target="_blank">Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(109,0,246)">On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 3:40 AM, Thomas Martin</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:rgb(109,0,246)"><<a href="mailto:tmartin@xtra.co.nz" target="_blank">tmartin@xtra.co.nz</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div style="margin-top:7.5pt"><p class="gmail-m_-6041231983970827740gmail-m-7436778977563860140ox-f833f35c16-ox-1c987087de-msonormal"><br>> On 25 February 2020 at 17:12 John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_blank">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> <br>> Don't know why they couldn't change pipe threads, after all the rest of <br>> the planet uses 60 deg, not 55 for the British threads. Can't really see <br>> how it is simpler than what we use. I mean how exactly do the Japanese <br>> explain such? Never seen a German print in inches either for that <br>> matter. If metric is so much better, then go all in I say.<br><br>Well the rest of the world for a long time was British or used British technology<br>before Sellars came along with his 60º thread form in the US. The US wasn't a great exporter<br>at the time, focusing more on internal expansion & self-sufficiency<br>> <br>> You missed the part about leaving out the bastard pipe threads, didn't <br>> you? We did so much hydraulic work at one point that all I stocked was <br>> NPTF, it works for NPT. As you know, NPT covers the vast majority, <br>> while NPTF will cover the majority of whats left. The scraps can be left <br>> to those who specialize in oddities.<br>> <br>> Never needed an IH bearing that I couldn't source from wherever. The <br>> only roller bearing I ever needed that was manufacture specific was the <br>> plunger bearing on a New Holland baler. Motion industries finally was <br>> able to cross it, but I couldn't find it any where else, not even <br>> aftermarket ag parts. And the bearing housing had to come from New <br>> Holland, nothing even close. That set up cost me close to $300<br>> <br>I think there is a slight time frame difference in our work experience,<br>My experience with Cat, IH, & AC was in the 60s & 70 and included <br>machinery built in the 50s. Cat & IH did insist on bearings that were <br>only Cat & IH inclusive, whereas AC crawlers that used more Timken style<br>bearings, could be sourced from any bearing supply co. Five times cheaper<br>than Cat Or IH equivalents.<br>An interesting aside was that, rarely was there a need for machining with<br>AC, Cat or, IH as regards remedial repair of parts. Good designs leave little<br>room for improvement.<br><br>> We have an entire section of bastard taps at work, it has just as many <br>> oddball metrics as it does english. It all depends on the industries you <br>> support as to what is in your tool crib.<br>><br>Around here, its fruit and meat processing. <br>At the local Heinz cannery, all the peach & pear lines were American sourced,<br>and the makers delighted in shaft sizes like 1-7/16", 1-9/16" & 1-15/16"<br>with ODs to match. Only source was the manufacturer.<br>Another delight was the spaghetti extruder, it had a 50hp motor driving <br>the extruder through reduction gears, every every shaft was a nominal size +<br>a 1/16" Guess where the bearings had to come from. It had one bad design <br>fault in that the heaviest reduction had no hunting teeth, and it had some<br>very bad wear patterns revealed on dismantling, had a blank forged in Australia,<br>it was about 600mm with a 152mm face. :-)<br>> <br>> I've found that engineers don't always make stuff weird so you have to <br>> buy from them, its often so you don't make a substitution that <br>> compromises the design. But there are some that need a plate glass <br>> stomach.....<br>"Plate glass stomach"? <br>Don't know that saying, although I have modified modified maker's efforts<br>for the better, when their designs were found wanting. Flattering when they<br>come up with the same improvement...<br><br>Tom<br>> <br>> John<br>> <br>> On 2/24/2020 10:41 PM, Thomas Martin wrote:<br>> >> On 25 February 2020 at 15:17 John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com" target="_blank">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Fun fact. Did you know metric pipe threads are actually in inches? They<br>> >> are actually 55 deg threadform (British Whitworth) but the pitch is in<br>> >> metric. And the real fun part is that the rest of the planet can't even<br>> >> decide how to spec them on drawing/print/blueprint. Different countries<br>> >> have different designations for the same thing. Off the top of my head,<br>> >> I think there are a combined 7 different ways of designating metric pipe<br>> >> threads (taper and straight), as opposed to just 2. Now we won't split<br>> >> hairs with short projection, dryseal or other specialty threads--lets<br>> >> stick to 99.999% of pipe threads.<br>> >><br>> >> FWIW, I have 30 years in a machine shop and have continually used both<br>> >> english and metric without an issue. Its the rest of the planet that<br>> >> makes a big ordeal out of it, we just grab a print and go with it.<br>> >> English, German, Japanese--its all the same--until we have to use<br>> >> Translate Google to figure out the notes.<br>> >><br>> >> One more fun fact. Next time you need some roller bearings for your old<br>> >> tractor and start measuring them only to find they aren't exactly<br>> >> english, convert them to metric--you might ought to sit down first.<br>> >><br>> >> I won't even get into European conduit threads--I've only had to do them<br>> >> twice.<br>> >><br>> >> John Hall<br>> >><br>> > Well, John<br>> > Europe did adopt BSP (British Standard Pipe) threads<br>> > back in the 19th century, difficult to change horses now.<br>> > Quite a simple setup compared to the American system!<br>> > Did you know that the US has 11 diffent derivatives of<br>> > National Pipe threads?<br>> > As for 11-1/2 tpi NPT, I bet many a lathe manufacturer<br>> > swore when Norton invented the quick change gearbox for<br>> > lathes and provision had to be made for that.<br>> > In fact would say I have cut more peculiar threads of US<br>> > origin that elsewhere.<br>> > That goes for bearings also. Both Caterpillar and IH used to<br>> > get bearings, especially taper-roller, ground to their<br>> > specific sizes, so that only they could supply, at a cost<br>> > 5 to 10 times the cost of a standard size! 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