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<p>I have thought about that, and have an old and a newer 4 post
lift just not installed. When you work on both trucks and
tractors, the lift can get in the way. I would like to install
the 4 post 30K lift, but the floor has water pipes for heat under
the slab. We don't know where they are, and the posts have to
have a pier under them. The floor has 8" piers under the slab,
cannot remember where they are. I thought of fastening 4' x 4'
plates 1in thick to the floor and then fasten the posts to them.
The floor is reinforced with reinforcing steel. I need to find
the reinforcing in the floor and try to miss the bars with the
plate anchors. <br>
Cecil<br>
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<p>Surely a two poster would be a better bet?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 26 February 2020 at 08:29 Cecil Bearden
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<p>Since I have a spinal problem and now one worn out stiff
knee, getting up and down under anything is a problem. Once I
get down I have to either make do with what I have or haul all
300 lbs of myself up and get what I need then when I get
within a foot of the floor, I usually just try to fall on
something soft!!!!!! I have seriously been looking at this
creeper made for aircraft. <span style="color: #3366ff;"><a
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I just wish it was available with an electric pump. I have
been looking for a drill powered hydraulic pump to adapt to
this creeper. <br>
Cecil<br>
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<p>Which is what I do. And danged if I still don't have the
right one!</p>
<p>Ron Cook, Salix, IA<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As a matter of fact I turn 58 today, and I
maintain my physical fitness to the best of my ability, so
you're probably right in that regard. But sorry, I reject
the notion that bringing the wrong wrench is a
blood-pressure-raising event, and I stand fast by my
comment. This simply isn't an argument against the metric
system. Seriously, just bring several wrenches...
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<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">You may not have
reached the age where getting down and under a
vehicle and then getting back up is a major
effort. Having the wrong wrench when I get under
there is not a happy event. Should I give up DIY
wrenching? Not a chance as long as my body is
still warm. If I didn’t keep trying to do this
stuff I would have been 6’ under a long time ago, </p>
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<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">Apache Junction,
AZ</p>
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [AT] Supposedly why
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<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">You might want
to re-think the whole DIY wrenching thing if
that's all it takes to get your blood pressure
up.</p>
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<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb
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<p class="ox-1c987087de-MsoNormal">It was a evil
plot to sell us another set of tools. The
proof is I still need two sets to service my
modern pickup.</p>
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style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">It sells a lot of
blood pressure meds. Especially when I crawl
under the darn thing only to find that one d@m
bolt is metric causing a cussing wrench
throwing fit as I crawl back out to get that
evil metric wrench.</p>
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> On 25 February 2020 at 17:12 John
Hall <<a
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> <br>
> <br>
> Don't know why they couldn't change
pipe threads, after all the rest of <br>
> the planet uses 60 deg, not 55 for
the British threads. Can't really see <br>
> how it is simpler than what we use. I
mean how exactly do the Japanese <br>
> explain such? Never seen a German
print in inches either for that <br>
> matter. If metric is so much better,
then go all in I say.<br>
<br>
Well the rest of the world for a long time
was British or used British technology<br>
before Sellars came along with his 60º
thread form in the US. The US wasn't a
great exporter<br>
at the time, focusing more on internal
expansion & self-sufficiency<br>
> <br>
> You missed the part about leaving out
the bastard pipe threads, didn't <br>
> you? We did so much hydraulic work at
one point that all I stocked was <br>
> NPTF, it works for NPT. As you know,
NPT covers the vast majority, <br>
> while NPTF will cover the majority of
whats left. The scraps can be left <br>
> to those who specialize in oddities.<br>
> <br>
> Never needed an IH bearing that I
couldn't source from wherever. The <br>
> only roller bearing I ever needed
that was manufacture specific was the <br>
> plunger bearing on a New Holland
baler. Motion industries finally was <br>
> able to cross it, but I couldn't find
it any where else, not even <br>
> aftermarket ag parts. And the bearing
housing had to come from New <br>
> Holland, nothing even close. That set
up cost me close to $300<br>
> <br>
I think there is a slight time frame
difference in our work experience,<br>
My experience with Cat, IH, & AC was
in the 60s & 70 and included <br>
machinery built in the 50s. Cat & IH
did insist on bearings that were <br>
only Cat & IH inclusive, whereas AC
crawlers that used more Timken style<br>
bearings, could be sourced from any
bearing supply co. Five times cheaper<br>
than Cat Or IH equivalents.<br>
An interesting aside was that, rarely was
there a need for machining with<br>
AC, Cat or, IH as regards remedial repair
of parts. Good designs leave little<br>
room for improvement.<br>
<br>
> We have an entire section of bastard
taps at work, it has just as many <br>
> oddball metrics as it does english.
It all depends on the industries you <br>
> support as to what is in your tool
crib.<br>
><br>
Around here, its fruit and meat
processing. <br>
At the local Heinz cannery, all the peach
& pear lines were American sourced,<br>
and the makers delighted in shaft sizes
like 1-7/16", 1-9/16" & 1-15/16"<br>
with ODs to match. Only source was the
manufacturer.<br>
Another delight was the spaghetti
extruder, it had a 50hp motor driving <br>
the extruder through reduction gears,
every every shaft was a nominal size +<br>
a 1/16" Guess where the bearings had to
come from. It had one bad design <br>
fault in that the heaviest reduction had
no hunting teeth, and it had some<br>
very bad wear patterns revealed on
dismantling, had a blank forged in
Australia,<br>
it was about 600mm with a 152mm face. :-)<br>
> <br>
> I've found that engineers don't
always make stuff weird so you have to <br>
> buy from them, its often so you don't
make a substitution that <br>
> compromises the design. But there are
some that need a plate glass <br>
> stomach.....<br>
"Plate glass stomach"? <br>
Don't know that saying, although I have
modified modified maker's efforts<br>
for the better, when their designs were
found wanting. Flattering when they<br>
come up with the same improvement...<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
> <br>
> John<br>
> <br>
> On 2/24/2020 10:41 PM, Thomas Martin
wrote:<br>
> >> On 25 February 2020 at 15:17
John Hall <<a
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> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Fun fact. Did you know
metric pipe threads are actually in
inches? They<br>
> >> are actually 55 deg
threadform (British Whitworth) but the
pitch is in<br>
> >> metric. And the real fun
part is that the rest of the planet can't
even<br>
> >> decide how to spec them on
drawing/print/blueprint. Different
countries<br>
> >> have different designations
for the same thing. Off the top of my
head,<br>
> >> I think there are a combined
7 different ways of designating metric
pipe<br>
> >> threads (taper and
straight), as opposed to just 2. Now we
won't split<br>
> >> hairs with short projection,
dryseal or other specialty threads--lets<br>
> >> stick to 99.999% of pipe
threads.<br>
> >><br>
> >> FWIW, I have 30 years in a
machine shop and have continually used
both<br>
> >> english and metric without
an issue. Its the rest of the planet that<br>
> >> makes a big ordeal out of
it, we just grab a print and go with it.<br>
> >> English, German,
Japanese--its all the same--until we have
to use<br>
> >> Translate Google to figure
out the notes.<br>
> >><br>
> >> One more fun fact. Next time
you need some roller bearings for your old<br>
> >> tractor and start measuring
them only to find they aren't exactly<br>
> >> english, convert them to
metric--you might ought to sit down first.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I won't even get into
European conduit threads--I've only had to
do them<br>
> >> twice.<br>
> >><br>
> >> John Hall<br>
> >><br>
> > Well, John<br>
> > Europe did adopt BSP (British
Standard Pipe) threads<br>
> > back in the 19th century,
difficult to change horses now.<br>
> > Quite a simple setup compared to
the American system!<br>
> > Did you know that the US has 11
diffent derivatives of<br>
> > National Pipe threads?<br>
> > As for 11-1/2 tpi NPT, I bet
many a lathe manufacturer<br>
> > swore when Norton invented the
quick change gearbox for<br>
> > lathes and provision had to be
made for that.<br>
> > In fact would say I have cut
more peculiar threads of US<br>
> > origin that elsewhere.<br>
> > That goes for bearings also.
Both Caterpillar and IH used to<br>
> > get bearings, especially
taper-roller, ground to their<br>
> > specific sizes, so that only
they could supply, at a cost<br>
> > 5 to 10 times the cost of a
standard size! Extortionate!<br>
> > Competition finally forced them
into standardization in the finish.<br>
> > FMC was another who engaged in
the practice in another field.<br>
> ><br>
> > Tom<br>
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