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    <font size="+1">Mate is a lighter load on older iron: less glamor
      and glitz.....but of course we favor old tractors!</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/20 9:11 AM, Stephen Offiler
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Brad - looks like we both got there within about a
        minute of each other!
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        <div>SO</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 9:09
          AM <<a href="mailto:bradloomis@charter.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true">bradloomis@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Charlie,</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Are the three different versions just
                matters of appearances? I got Cinnamon ‘the most
                popular’ but I didn’t see differences other than
                appearance. In other words, why Mate? </p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">To Stephen it was dead nuts simple to
                download and make a thumb bootable. I used a program,
                balenaEtcher which was a three click process to turn the
                thumb and ISO into either a loadable fully functional OS
                or just to run off the thumb to see how it all
                functions. Very cool, very simple. Linux has come a long
                way. It is the applications that have kept me from fully
                committing. Banking, and Outlook still does more than
                Thunderbird. Granted it is getting increasingly unusable
                :/</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Brad</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
                      href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>cgs<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:21 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a
                      href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] OT- Computer help please</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span
                  style="font-size:13.5pt">Linux Mint has an accessory
                  named 'USB Image Writer' which will put the downloaded
                  image of your new operating system onto your USB. A
                  good instruction for Mint is at <u><a
href="https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_18.0.pdf"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_18.0.pdf</a></u><br>
                  I use its Mate version whose latest is 19.3 on older
                  computers.</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/18/20 5:13 AM, Stephen Offiler
                  wrote:</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I have one SATA connector
                      on the old laptop.  I am hearing several votes in
                      favor of Mint/Mate.  Since I don't have a ton of
                      free time, hoping maybe someone can provide a
                      decent overview of the process.  I'd like to
                      ignore the hard drive on the laptop and try to
                      boot off a thumb drive as we've been discussing. 
                      Basically treat the laptop as if it were already
                      dead.  I have a fully modern, fully functional
                      desktop workstation running Win 10 for downloads
                      and manipulations of the thumb drive.  So what are
                      the basic steps?  Download to the workstation and
                      then send files over to the thumb, or download
                      straight to the thumb?  In either case, how do I
                      make the thumb bootable?</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance...</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">SO</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:53
                        AM cgs <<a href="mailto:oxygenfarm@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">oxygenfarm@gmail.com</a>>
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                            style="font-size:13.5pt">Most versions of
                            Linux are free and legal to download; some
                            charge for a prepared thumb drive and/or a
                            phone help service.<br>
                            I have several computers that age which will
                            run the lighter Linux versions. A new solid
                            state drive (120 GB) can be found online or
                            at MicroCenter for $25 (be sure your old
                            iron has SATA connectors!)</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/17/20 5:20 AM,
                            Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Phil: </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">I've got a Dell
                                  from about 2009 or so, perhaps a
                                  3000-series (?), running XP.  At the
                                  time it was a workstation-class
                                  laptop, capable of running 3D CAD
                                  software.  I don't use it much
                                  anymore, but it definitely comes in
                                  handy sometimes.  Nothing important is
                                  stored on it.  Hard drive has given me
                                  a few scares over the last several
                                  years, but it comes back every time
                                  (on it's own; I have not done anything
                                  heroic).  This bootable thumb drive
                                  thing is intriguing because you don't
                                  need any hard drive at all with it. 
                                   In your scenario, with the hidden
                                  partition, you still need a functional
                                  hard drive.  Plus, there's been enough
                                  discussion of Linux here on ATIS (and
                                  elsewhere) that I'm curious.</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">SO</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 17,
                                  2020 at 5:08 AM Phil Auten <<a
                                    href="mailto:pga2@basicisp.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">pga2@basicisp.net</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
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                                  <p>Hi, Stephen,</p>
                                  <p>I don't remember what brand of PC
                                    you have, but several manufacturers
                                    provide a "hidden partition" on the
                                    hard drive that can be used to
                                    restore the PC back to factory
                                    settings. On both of my Acer laptops
                                    the <Alt-F10> keys are pressed
                                    together during boot. This enables
                                    the restore function.  That would,
                                    however, wipe out your files. But if
                                    there is no other alternative it
                                    would be worth a try. The laptop I
                                    am using to type this suffered a
                                    hard drive crash a couple of years
                                    ago. The hard drive was no longer
                                    recognized. Using the Acer part
                                    number, I was able to find the exact
                                    same hard drive on eBay. I had to
                                    completely rebuild my setup, but
                                    still much less expensive than a new
                                    laptop.</p>
                                  <p>If that $35 thumb drive is
                                    bootable, that would still be a good
                                    option for me.</p>
                                  <p>My 2¢</p>
                                  <p>Phil in TX</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 2/16/2020
                                      5:44 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi farmer: 
                                        When you say no reason to buy
                                        anything, I assume you refer to
                                        that $35 thumb drive device I
                                        mentioned.  As I understand it,
                                        the thumb drive is bootable,
                                        circumventing the hard drive and
                                        whatever OS is on the machine. 
                                        The sales pitch is that it will
                                        take a machine that's bricked
                                        and bring it back to life.  Do
                                        you have a way to accomplish
                                        that for free? </p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">SO</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Feb
                                          15, 2020 at 10:39 PM Indiana
                                          Robinson <<a
                                            href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">No
                                              reason to buy anything,
                                              Most distributions of
                                              Linux will read Windows
                                              files. You can copy, paste
                                              move etc. and you can
                                              download anything for
                                              free. I don't putter with
                                              old stuff as much as I
                                              used to but I've used
                                              Knoppix for such things
                                              for many years. I don't
                                              know if Windows 10 can
                                              read Linux files yet or
                                              not but I once read that
                                              it was soon to be an
                                              option. If you install
                                              Linux as a dual boot with
                                              Windows you can just
                                              access your Windows files
                                              without having to reboot
                                              back into Windows to find
                                              them or work with them.</p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">Half of
                                              the Linux learning curve
                                              is terminology... If you
                                              have become comfortable
                                              using Android you are half
                                              way there. Android is just
                                              a mobile (and tablet)
                                              version of Linux. Android
                                              is built on and running
                                              the Linux Kernel but your
                                              desktop box won't run
                                              Android.</p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat,
                                              Feb 15, 2020 at 9:33 AM
                                              cgs <<a
                                                href="mailto:oxygenfarm@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">oxygenfarm@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-size:13.5pt">Look at <u><a
href="http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-data-recovery-tools-for-linux-to-recover-data-or-deleted-partitions"
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  2/15/20 7:12 AM,
                                                  Stephen Offiler wrote:</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Good
                                                    to hear it's all
                                                    set.  I've been
                                                    seeing ad's for a
                                                    device called
                                                    "XtraPC" which, it
                                                    turns out, is some
                                                    flavor of Linux
                                                    burned onto a thumb
                                                    drive for something
                                                    like $35.  You can
                                                    bring back most
                                                    troublesome old
                                                    machines from the
                                                    grave (assuming the
                                                    problem is hard
                                                    drive/boot software,
                                                    not some hardware
                                                    failure of course). 
                                                    What I do not know
                                                    is whether you can
                                                    access your Windows
                                                    files under Linux. 
                                                    Curious about that.
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">SO</p>
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                                              <pre>-- </pre>
                                              <pre>Charlie</pre>
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                                                <br>
                                                Francis Robinson<br>
                                                aka "farmer"<br>
                                                Central Indiana USA<br>
                                                <a
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                          <pre>AT mailing list</pre>
                          <pre><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></pre>
                          <pre><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></pre>
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                        <pre>-- </pre>
                        <pre>Charlie</pre>
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                        AT mailing list<br>
                        <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
                        <a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></p>
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                </p>
                <pre>_______________________________________________</pre>
                <pre>AT mailing list</pre>
                <pre><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></pre>
                <pre><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></pre>
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              <pre>-- </pre>
              <pre>Charlie</pre>
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          _______________________________________________<br>
          AT mailing list<br>
          <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
          <a
href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>
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AT mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a>
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Charlie</pre>
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