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<font size="+1">Mate is a lighter load on older iron: less glamor
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<div dir="ltr">Brad - looks like we both got there within about a
minute of each other!
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<p class="MsoNormal">Charlie,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Are the three different versions just
matters of appearances? I got Cinnamon ‘the most
popular’ but I didn’t see differences other than
appearance. In other words, why Mate? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To Stephen it was dead nuts simple to
download and make a thumb bootable. I used a program,
balenaEtcher which was a three click process to turn the
thumb and ISO into either a loadable fully functional OS
or just to run off the thumb to see how it all
functions. Very cool, very simple. Linux has come a long
way. It is the applications that have kept me from fully
committing. Banking, and Outlook still does more than
Thunderbird. Granted it is getting increasingly unusable
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>cgs<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:21 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] OT- Computer help please</p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt">Linux Mint has an accessory
named 'USB Image Writer' which will put the downloaded
image of your new operating system onto your USB. A
good instruction for Mint is at <u><a
href="https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_18.0.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_18.0.pdf</a></u><br>
I use its Mate version whose latest is 19.3 on older
computers.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I have one SATA connector
on the old laptop. I am hearing several votes in
favor of Mint/Mate. Since I don't have a ton of
free time, hoping maybe someone can provide a
decent overview of the process. I'd like to
ignore the hard drive on the laptop and try to
boot off a thumb drive as we've been discussing.
Basically treat the laptop as if it were already
dead. I have a fully modern, fully functional
desktop workstation running Win 10 for downloads
and manipulations of the thumb drive. So what are
the basic steps? Download to the workstation and
then send files over to the thumb, or download
straight to the thumb? In either case, how do I
make the thumb bootable?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:53
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style="font-size:13.5pt">Most versions of
Linux are free and legal to download; some
charge for a prepared thumb drive and/or a
phone help service.<br>
I have several computers that age which will
run the lighter Linux versions. A new solid
state drive (120 GB) can be found online or
at MicroCenter for $25 (be sure your old
iron has SATA connectors!)</span></p>
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from about 2009 or so, perhaps a
3000-series (?), running XP. At the
time it was a workstation-class
laptop, capable of running 3D CAD
software. I don't use it much
anymore, but it definitely comes in
handy sometimes. Nothing important is
stored on it. Hard drive has given me
a few scares over the last several
years, but it comes back every time
(on it's own; I have not done anything
heroic). This bootable thumb drive
thing is intriguing because you don't
need any hard drive at all with it.
In your scenario, with the hidden
partition, you still need a functional
hard drive. Plus, there's been enough
discussion of Linux here on ATIS (and
elsewhere) that I'm curious.</p>
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<p>Hi, Stephen,</p>
<p>I don't remember what brand of PC
you have, but several manufacturers
provide a "hidden partition" on the
hard drive that can be used to
restore the PC back to factory
settings. On both of my Acer laptops
the <Alt-F10> keys are pressed
together during boot. This enables
the restore function. That would,
however, wipe out your files. But if
there is no other alternative it
would be worth a try. The laptop I
am using to type this suffered a
hard drive crash a couple of years
ago. The hard drive was no longer
recognized. Using the Acer part
number, I was able to find the exact
same hard drive on eBay. I had to
completely rebuild my setup, but
still much less expensive than a new
laptop.</p>
<p>If that $35 thumb drive is
bootable, that would still be a good
option for me.</p>
<p>My 2¢</p>
<p>Phil in TX</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi farmer:
When you say no reason to buy
anything, I assume you refer to
that $35 thumb drive device I
mentioned. As I understand it,
the thumb drive is bootable,
circumventing the hard drive and
whatever OS is on the machine.
The sales pitch is that it will
take a machine that's bricked
and bring it back to life. Do
you have a way to accomplish
that for free? </p>
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Robinson <<a
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reason to buy anything,
Most distributions of
Linux will read Windows
files. You can copy, paste
move etc. and you can
download anything for
free. I don't putter with
old stuff as much as I
used to but I've used
Knoppix for such things
for many years. I don't
know if Windows 10 can
read Linux files yet or
not but I once read that
it was soon to be an
option. If you install
Linux as a dual boot with
Windows you can just
access your Windows files
without having to reboot
back into Windows to find
them or work with them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Half of
the Linux learning curve
is terminology... If you
have become comfortable
using Android you are half
way there. Android is just
a mobile (and tablet)
version of Linux. Android
is built on and running
the Linux Kernel but your
desktop box won't run
Android.</p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt">Look at <u><a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good
to hear it's all
set. I've been
seeing ad's for a
device called
"XtraPC" which, it
turns out, is some
flavor of Linux
burned onto a thumb
drive for something
like $35. You can
bring back most
troublesome old
machines from the
grave (assuming the
problem is hard
drive/boot software,
not some hardware
failure of course).
What I do not know
is whether you can
access your Windows
files under Linux.
Curious about that.
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