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    <font size="+1">Henry is right. But if your old computer fails
      because it can't handle the demands of new operating systems,
      think again about Linux OSs. After all, we do use and enjoy old
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/20 7:28 AM, Henry Miller wrote:<br>
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      <div style="font-family:Arial;">You need an empty USB<span
          style="background-color: inherit;"> drive to do anything so it
          isn't free. If you have a drive you don't care about and a
          working computer, there are hundreds of different Linux
          "images" that you download and put on the USB drive that will
          boot and let you recover whatever is on the hardrive. Problem
          is few people have a USB drive around with nothing on it, and
          even if they didn't you are in a catch-22 because you need a
          working computer. </span><br>
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      <div style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="background-color:
          inherit;">I can't emphasize empty USB enough here, the process
          erases whatever was on the drive before.</span><br>
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      <div style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="background-color:
          inherit;">This is a last resort effort, I urge everybody to
          have several copies of all their important files on different
          drives, at least some of which are not at your house. There
          are online backup programs that work, or you can copy
          everything to a USB drive and store the drive at your in-laws.
          If you have this, if your computer fails you buy a new one and
          continue. This also protects from a virus that can erase your
          data. (Sometimes a ransom will get it back, but those who
          collect ransoms are evil enough to collect money and not give
          you your data back)</span><br>
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        <div class="signature">-- <br>
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        <div class="signature">  Henry Miller<br>
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        <div class="signature">  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com">hank@millerfarm.com</a><br>
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      <div>On Sun, Feb 16, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
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          <div>Hi farmer:  When you say no reason to buy anything, I
            assume you refer to that $35 thumb drive device I
            mentioned.  As I understand it, the thumb drive is bootable,
            circumventing the hard drive and whatever OS is on the
            machine.  The sales pitch is that it will take a machine
            that's bricked and bring it back to life.  Do you have a way
            to accomplish that for free?<br>
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          <div>SO<br>
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            10:39 PM Indiana Robinson <<a
              href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
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              <div>No reason to buy anything, Most distributions of
                Linux will read Windows files. You can copy, paste move
                etc. and you can download anything for free. I don't
                putter with old stuff as much as I used to but I've used
                Knoppix for such things for many years. I don't know if
                Windows 10 can read Linux files yet or not but I once
                read that it was soon to be an option. If you install
                Linux as a dual boot with Windows you can just access
                your Windows files without having to reboot back into
                Windows to find them or work with them.<br>
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              <div>Half of the Linux learning curve is terminology... If
                you have become comfortable using Android you are half
                way there. Android is just a mobile (and tablet) version
                of Linux. Android is built on and running the Linux
                Kernel but your desktop box won't run Android.<br>
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              <div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 15, 2020
                at 9:33 AM cgs <<a href="mailto:oxygenfarm@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">oxygenfarm@gmail.com</a>>
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                  <div><span style="font-size:undefinedpx" class="size">Look
                      at <u><a
href="http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-data-recovery-tools-for-linux-to-recover-data-or-deleted-partitions"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-data-recovery-tools-for-linux-to-recover-data-or-deleted-partitions</a></u></span><br>
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                  <div>On 2/15/20 7:12 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Good to hear it's all set.  I've been seeing
                        ad's for a device called "XtraPC" which, it
                        turns out, is some flavor of Linux burned onto a
                        thumb drive for something like $35.  You can
                        bring back most troublesome old machines from
                        the grave (assuming the problem is hard
                        drive/boot software, not some hardware failure
                        of course).  What I do not know is whether you
                        can access your Windows files under Linux. 
                        Curious about that. <br>
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                  <div>Francis Robinson<br>
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