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<p>In Colorado the law says to dim lights within 500 ft of
approaching cars and when coming up from behind 200 ft. That law
was probably wrote 70 years ago. The newer combines and tractors
that light up like a small city give me more problems seeing then
some cars. <br>
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<p>Brian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2020 11:22 AM, Phil Auten
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<p>There are both kinds of "idiot" drivers out there all over the
country. Some are simply inattentive, some just don't care if
you can see or not and some just can't seem to put courtesy into
their driving habits. I don't know about other states, but the
Texas Driver's Handbook states" Drivers will switch to low beam
headlights as soon as they see the headlights of an oncoming
car. Some folks will do this, but some think "oh, they're not
close enough yet" and switch to low beams when they think the
other driver is "close enough". Some just ignore being flashed
as they approach. Those get my full high beams until they pass
by or switch to low. If I'm in the truck, they get my fog lights
as well. I just have zero tolerance for idiots.</p>
<p>Phil in TX</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I rented a
car last month while visiting relatives in another state.
Toyota Camry, I think, whatever the rental place
considered a “full size” car. With the headlight switch
in Auto mode, it would automatically switch the high beams
on and off depending on whether oncoming car headlights
were visible. Freaked me out when it first happened. I
watched attentively for a while and it worked fine, never
left the high beams on when I would have switched them
off. But I stopped using Auto mode after that and just
used the normal On setting and controlled the high beams
manually… too much habit, muscle memory, and lingering
distrust of the new system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As I think
about it, maybe the auto bright/dim control isn’t a bad
feature, since there are sure a bunch of morons out there
who don’t think it’s important to switch to low beams when
they’re *<b>behind</b>* another car. Hopefully the
technology provides that capability too…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Saint Paris,
OH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Dickinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2020 5:05 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] driver convenience systems<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rain, fog, Snow all can allow enough
ambient light to fool the auto headlamps to think they are
not necessary. My complaint when they first came out with
daytime running lights with auto headlamps, was fear that it
would make drivers lazy/ignorant about when and how to use
their headlights. I have seen too many times when lights are
not on or fully on when they should be. Little concerned
about the driver alert systems. Surprised at the number of
drivers that don’t know how to position their mirrors, or
have awareness of their surroundings. Like many on the list,
I drive a pickup truck often towing a trailer, be it a
flatbed, travel, or enclosed. I am able to <u>adjust</u> my
mirrors to nearly eliminate blind spots, those that remain
are monitored for vehicles entering and leaving. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aaron Dickinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mason, Michigan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a
href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jim Becker</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group'</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
headlights.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yeah, what Brian said
about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%. Automatic lights
respond to light levels and should turn on both front and
rear. Most if not all also have an instrument panel
indicator so the driver can tell if the automatic lights
are on. They do not know when it is raining as light
levels in rain are usually above the level that turns on
the lights. It is still up to the driver to turn on
lights in the rain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t
know how all the auto mode lights work, but my ‘99 Chevy
Tahoe has daytime running lights and no auto mode.
Daytime running lights are the front headlights only and
are always on at 80% brightness whenever the engine is
running and the parking brake is not set. I don’t
consider these auto mode lights. If I want my rear
lights on and the headlights up to full brightness when
it is getting dark or when it is raining, I have to turn
my lights on manually. Daytime running lights are to
make oncoming traffic more visible in shaded areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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AT [<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilbert Schwartz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group;
Howard Pletcher<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to
install headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Howard,
I am glad to hear that on your escape. The last four
vehicles I have had would not turn on the rear lights
when the auto mode turned on the front lights. One of
those vehicles was a pickup truck. Now I am wondering
what condition turns the lights on in auto mode.
Several years ago my wife was driving in a rainstorm
while I was behind her. When we stopped I raised the
roof because she had no lights on. She advised me real
quick "I had them on auto mode". <br>
The next time you are out in the daylight take a look
at the oncoming traffic and see how many have lights
on the front but none on the rear, unless of course
they are applying their brakes. <br>
I am guessing now that the insurance explanation says
it all. I thought for sure that EPA had something to
do with it. <br>
I guess I am just getting too old, I am one of those
people that just don't matter anymore. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">On January 19, 2020 at
8:02 PM Howard Pletcher <<a
href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I don't think a dangerous situation like that
can be industrywide. My Ford Escape turns on
both front and rear in the auto mode. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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19, 2020 at 8:50 PM Gilbert Schwartz < <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:black">While we are
talking about vehicle lights, please, someone
explain to me why or how anyone would want to
have lights on the front of their vehicle with
no lights on the rear. It appears that this
condition is industrywide and seems to be always
in the "AUTO" mode on the headlight switch. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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