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<p>There are both kinds of "idiot" drivers out there all over the
country. Some are simply inattentive, some just don't care if you
can see or not and some just can't seem to put courtesy into their
driving habits. I don't know about other states, but the Texas
Driver's Handbook states" Drivers will switch to low beam
headlights as soon as they see the headlights of an oncoming car.
Some folks will do this, but some think "oh, they're not close
enough yet" and switch to low beams when they think the other
driver is "close enough". Some just ignore being flashed as they
approach. Those get my full high beams until they pass by or
switch to low. If I'm in the truck, they get my fog lights as
well. I just have zero tolerance for idiots.</p>
<p>Phil in TX</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2020 6:07 AM, Dean Vinson
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I rented a car
last month while visiting relatives in another state.
Toyota Camry, I think, whatever the rental place considered
a “full size” car. With the headlight switch in Auto mode,
it would automatically switch the high beams on and off
depending on whether oncoming car headlights were visible.
Freaked me out when it first happened. I watched
attentively for a while and it worked fine, never left the
high beams on when I would have switched them off. But I
stopped using Auto mode after that and just used the normal
On setting and controlled the high beams manually… too much
habit, muscle memory, and lingering distrust of the new
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As I think
about it, maybe the auto bright/dim control isn’t a bad
feature, since there are sure a bunch of morons out there
who don’t think it’s important to switch to low beams when
they’re *<b>behind</b>* another car. Hopefully the
technology provides that capability too…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Saint Paris, OH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Aaron Dickinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2020 5:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] driver convenience systems<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rain, fog, Snow all can allow enough
ambient light to fool the auto headlamps to think they are not
necessary. My complaint when they first came out with daytime
running lights with auto headlamps, was fear that it would
make drivers lazy/ignorant about when and how to use their
headlights. I have seen too many times when lights are not on
or fully on when they should be. Little concerned about the
driver alert systems. Surprised at the number of drivers that
don’t know how to position their mirrors, or have awareness of
their surroundings. Like many on the list, I drive a pickup
truck often towing a trailer, be it a flatbed, travel, or
enclosed. I am able to <u>adjust</u> my mirrors to nearly
eliminate blind spots, those that remain are monitored for
vehicles entering and leaving. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aaron Dickinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mason, Michigan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a
href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Jim
Becker</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
Group'</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
headlights.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yeah,
what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%.
Automatic lights respond to light levels and should turn on
both front and rear. Most if not all also have an
instrument panel indicator so the driver can tell if the
automatic lights are on. They do not know when it is
raining as light levels in rain are usually above the level
that turns on the lights. It is still up to the driver to
turn on lights in the rain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jim Becker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Brian VanDragt <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t know
how all the auto mode lights work, but my ‘99 Chevy Tahoe
has daytime running lights and no auto mode. Daytime
running lights are the front headlights only and are
always on at 80% brightness whenever the engine is running
and the parking brake is not set. I don’t consider these
auto mode lights. If I want my rear lights on and the
headlights up to full brightness when it is getting dark
or when it is raining, I have to turn my lights on
manually. Daytime running lights are to make oncoming
traffic more visible in shaded areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
AT [<a
href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilbert Schwartz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group;
Howard Pletcher<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to
install headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Howard,
I am glad to hear that on your escape. The last four
vehicles I have had would not turn on the rear lights
when the auto mode turned on the front lights. One of
those vehicles was a pickup truck. Now I am wondering
what condition turns the lights on in auto mode. Several
years ago my wife was driving in a rainstorm while I was
behind her. When we stopped I raised the roof because
she had no lights on. She advised me real quick "I had
them on auto mode". <br>
The next time you are out in the daylight take a look at
the oncoming traffic and see how many have lights on the
front but none on the rear, unless of course they are
applying their brakes. <br>
I am guessing now that the insurance explanation says it
all. I thought for sure that EPA had something to do
with it. <br>
I guess I am just getting too old, I am one of those
people that just don't matter anymore. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">On January 19, 2020 at
8:02 PM Howard Pletcher <<a
href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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I don't think a dangerous situation like that can
be industrywide. My Ford Escape turns on both
front and rear in the auto mode. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:black">On Sun, Jan 19,
2020 at 8:50 PM Gilbert Schwartz < <a
href="mailto:vschwartz1@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vschwartz1@comcast.net</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif;color:black">While we are
talking about vehicle lights, please, someone
explain to me why or how anyone would want to have
lights on the front of their vehicle with no
lights on the rear. It appears that this condition
is industrywide and seems to be always in the
"AUTO" mode on the headlight switch. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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