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    <p>There are both kinds of "idiot" drivers out there all over the
      country. Some are simply inattentive, some just don't care if you
      can see or not and some just can't seem to put courtesy into their
      driving habits. I don't know about other states, but the Texas
      Driver's Handbook states" Drivers will switch to low beam
      headlights as soon as they see the headlights of an oncoming car.
      Some folks will do this, but some think "oh, they're not close
      enough yet" and switch to low beams when they think the other
      driver is "close enough". Some just ignore being flashed as they
      approach. Those get my full high beams until they pass by or
      switch to low. If I'm in the truck, they get my fog lights as
      well. I just have zero tolerance for idiots.</p>
    <p>Phil in TX</p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2020 6:07 AM, Dean Vinson
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I rented a car
            last month while visiting relatives in another state. 
            Toyota Camry, I think, whatever the rental place considered
            a “full size” car.   With the headlight switch in Auto mode,
            it would automatically switch the high beams on and off
            depending on whether oncoming car headlights were visible.  
            Freaked me out when it first happened.   I watched
            attentively for a while and it worked fine, never left the
            high beams on when I would have switched them off.   But I
            stopped using Auto mode after that and just used the normal
            On setting and controlled the high beams manually… too much
            habit, muscle memory, and lingering distrust of the new
            system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As I think
            about it, maybe the auto bright/dim control isn’t a bad
            feature, since there are sure a bunch of morons out there
            who don’t think it’s important to switch to low beams when
            they’re *<b>behind</b>* another car.  Hopefully the
            technology provides that capability too…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Saint Paris, OH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On
                Behalf Of </b>Aaron Dickinson<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2020 5:05 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at@lists.antique-tractor.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] driver convenience systems<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Rain, fog, Snow all can allow enough
          ambient light to fool the auto headlamps to think they are not
          necessary. My complaint when they first came out with daytime
          running lights with auto headlamps, was fear that it would
          make drivers lazy/ignorant about when and how to use their
          headlights. I have seen too many times when lights are not on
          or fully on when they should be. Little concerned about the
          driver alert systems. Surprised at the number of drivers that
          don’t know how to position their mirrors, or have awareness of
          their surroundings. Like many on the list, I drive a pickup
          truck often towing a trailer, be it a flatbed, travel, or
          enclosed. I am able to <u>adjust</u> my mirrors to nearly
          eliminate blind spots, those that remain are monitored for
          vehicles entering and leaving. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Aaron Dickinson<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Mason, Michigan<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a
              href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Jim
              Becker</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:49 PM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">'Antique Tractor Email Discussion
              Group'</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
            headlights.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Yeah,
            what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%. 
            Automatic lights respond to light levels and should turn on
            both front and rear.  Most if not all also have an
            instrument panel indicator so the driver can tell if the
            automatic lights are on.  They do not know when it is
            raining as light levels in rain are usually above the level
            that turns on the lights.  It is still up to the driver to
            turn on lights in the rain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jim Becker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                    Brian VanDragt <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                    Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                    'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group' <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                    Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install
                    headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t know
              how all the auto mode lights work, but my ‘99 Chevy Tahoe
              has daytime running lights and no auto mode.  Daytime
              running lights are the front headlights only and are
              always on at 80% brightness whenever the engine is running
              and the parking brake is not set.  I don’t consider these
              auto mode lights.  If I want my rear lights on and the
              headlights up to full brightness when it is getting dark
              or when it is raining, I have to turn my lights on
              manually.  Daytime running lights are to make oncoming
              traffic more visible in shaded areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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              Roman",serif;color:black"> </span><span
              style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                  AT [<a
                    href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilbert Schwartz<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:23 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group;
                  Howard Pletcher<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to
                  install headlights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Howard,
                I am glad to hear that on your escape. The last four
                vehicles I have had would not turn on the rear lights
                when the auto mode turned on the front lights. One of
                those vehicles was a pickup truck. Now I am wondering
                what condition turns the lights on in auto mode. Several
                years ago my wife was driving in a rainstorm while I was
                behind her. When we stopped I raised the roof because
                she had no lights on. She advised me real quick "I had
                them on auto mode". <br>
                The next time you are out in the daylight take a look at
                the oncoming traffic and see how many have lights on the
                front but none on the rear, unless of course they are
                applying their brakes. <br>
                I am guessing now that the insurance explanation says it
                all. I thought for sure that EPA had something to do
                with it. <br>
                I guess I am just getting too old, I am one of those
                people that just don't matter anymore. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif;color:black">On January 19, 2020 at
                8:02 PM Howard Pletcher <<a
                  href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">???? 
                      I don't think a dangerous situation like that can
                      be industrywide.  My Ford Escape turns on both
                      front and rear in the auto mode. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Howard
                      <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman",serif;color:black">On Sun, Jan 19,
                      2020 at 8:50 PM Gilbert Schwartz < <a
                        href="mailto:vschwartz1@comcast.net"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">vschwartz1@comcast.net</a>>
                      wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                      New Roman",serif;color:black">While we are
                      talking about vehicle lights, please, someone
                      explain to me why or how anyone would want to have
                      lights on the front of their vehicle with no
                      lights on the rear. It appears that this condition
                      is industrywide and seems to be always in the
                      "AUTO" mode on the headlight switch.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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