<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">That is why different makes have different features. What bothers the heck out of one customer, may be just fine with another.
<div>Its also one reason why some customers are loyal to one make.<br>
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<div><font color="black" face="arial" size="2">Todd Markle</font></div>
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From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net><br>
To: at <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2020 11:02 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] driver convenience systems<br>
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<div>Spencer:</div>
<div>The ridiculous ting is that the setting is on a touch screen
instead of a switch.<br clear="none">
Cecil<br clear="none">
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You can toggle a setting that allows the lighting stalk to be
“normal” brights on/off or be auto dim on/off. But it’s a touch
screen setting and 3 menus down....
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<div>I live on a private road that is dark and unlit. It also
has speedbumps (don’t get me started on that - crazy neighbors
insisted when we finally paved it). Slowing down for the
speedbumps triggers this behavior. I also have a long dark
drive to the shed with the baler and the Ford and continues down
to one barn. My speed on that driveway is too slow for them to
even come on. </div>
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<div>Also, sometimes you just want to be stopped but still have
the bright lights on. </div>
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<div>Funny thing is, if It didn’t do such a great job on the road
in normal circumstances, I’d turn autodim off and leave it off.
But I really like it under those normal circumstances. So I
find myself doing without bright lights in slow/stopped
circumstances or fumbling with a touchscreen.</div>
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<div>Seems ridiculous. Why would I not want bright lights below
15mph?</div>
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Offiler <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv4579516998moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"><soffiler@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Spencer: presumably one can shut the
auto-dimming function off? I can totally see the 15mph
irritation. My tractor-hauling rig is a '16 F-250 but
it's pretty basic "XL" trim level. Not much
auto-anything beyond the transmission. Which is fine
with me!
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<div class="yiv4579516998gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Jan 22, 2020
at 1:30 PM Spencer Yost <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
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<div>My 2016 Ram antique tractor hauling
truck has auto dimming and clearly uses a camera and
AI to recognize headlights AND taillights. Does
really well. Only issues are some security/street
lights will fool it and they turn off. Even then
the truck has to be approaching at just the right
vector. Minor thing in my mind.
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<div>Other one is speed. Below 15mph the brights
go off. This is a bigger deal and pisses me off
driving on the beach or a gravel rd when I am
traveling between 12-18 mph and they turn on and
off and on and off and ......</div>
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AM, Dean Vinson <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net">dean@vinsonfarm.net</a>>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">I rented a
car last month while visiting relatives
in another state. Toyota Camry, I
think, whatever the rental place
considered a “full size” car. With the
headlight switch in Auto mode, it would
automatically switch the high beams on
and off depending on whether oncoming
car headlights were visible. Freaked
me out when it first happened. I
watched attentively for a while and it
worked fine, never left the high beams
on when I would have switched them
off. But I stopped using Auto mode
after that and just used the normal On
setting and controlled the high beams
manually… too much habit, muscle memory,
and lingering distrust of the new
system.</span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">As I think
about it, maybe the auto bright/dim
control isn’t a bad feature, since there
are sure a bunch of morons out there who
don’t think it’s important to switch to
low beams when they’re *<b>behind</b>*
another car. Hopefully the technology
provides that capability too…</span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">Dean Vinson</span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">Saint
Paris, OH</span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Dickinson<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2020
5:05 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] driver
convenience systems</div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal">Rain, fog, Snow all can
allow enough ambient light to fool the
auto headlamps to think they are not
necessary. My complaint when they first
came out with daytime running lights with
auto headlamps, was fear that it would
make drivers lazy/ignorant about when and
how to use their headlights. I have seen
too many times when lights are not on or
fully on when they should be. Little
concerned about the driver alert systems.
Surprised at the number of drivers that
don’t know how to position their mirrors,
or have awareness of their surroundings.
Like many on the list, I drive a pickup
truck often towing a trailer, be it a
flatbed, travel, or enclosed. I am able to
<u>adjust</u> my mirrors to nearly
eliminate blind spots, those that remain
are monitored for vehicles entering and
leaving. </div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal">Aaron Dickinson</div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal">Mason, Michigan</div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com">Jim
Becker</a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, January 19, 2020
9:49 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b><a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">'Antique
Tractor Email Discussion Group'</a><br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AT] tractor hauler
a pain to install headlights.</div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;">Yeah,
what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe
not at 80%. Automatic lights respond to
light levels and should turn on both
front and rear. Most if not all also
have an instrument panel indicator so
the driver can tell if the automatic
lights are on. They do not know when it
is raining as light levels in rain are
usually above the level that turns on
the lights. It is still up to the
driver to turn on lights in the rain.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;">Jim
Becker</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;"> Brian
VanDragt </span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">
Sunday, January 19, 2020 8:35 PM</span></div>
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'Antique Tractor Email
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;"> Re:
[AT] tractor hauler a pain to
install headlights.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">I don’t
know how all the auto mode lights
work, but my ‘99 Chevy Tahoe has
daytime running lights and no auto
mode. Daytime running lights are the
front headlights only and are always
on at 80% brightness whenever the
engine is running and the parking
brake is not set. I don’t consider
these auto mode lights. If I want my
rear lights on and the headlights up
to full brightness when it is getting
dark or when it is raining, I have to
turn my lights on manually. Daytime
running lights are to make oncoming
traffic more visible in shaded areas.</span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);">Brian</span></div>
<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;"> </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;"> AT [<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gilbert
Schwartz<br clear="none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 19,
2020 9:23 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
Discussion Group; Howard Pletcher<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] tractor
hauler a pain to install
headlights.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Howard,
I am glad to hear that on your
escape. The last four vehicles I
have had would not turn on the rear
lights when the auto mode turned on
the front lights. One of those
vehicles was a pickup truck. Now I
am wondering what condition turns
the lights on in auto mode. Several
years ago my wife was driving in a
rainstorm while I was behind her.
When we stopped I raised the roof
because she had no lights on. She
advised me real quick "I had them on
auto mode". <br clear="none">
The next time you are out in the
daylight take a look at the oncoming
traffic and see how many have lights
on the front but none on the rear,
unless of course they are applying
their brakes. <br clear="none">
I am guessing now that the insurance
explanation says it all. I thought
for sure that EPA had something to
do with it. <br clear="none">
I guess I am just getting too old, I
am one of those people that just
don't matter anymore. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On
January 19, 2020 at 8:02 PM Howard
Pletcher <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com">hrpletch@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: </span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;color:black;">????
I don't think a dangerous
situation like that can be
industrywide. My Ford Escape
turns on both front and rear
in the auto mode. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;">On
Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 8:50 PM
Gilbert Schwartz < <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vschwartz1@comcast.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:vschwartz1@comcast.net">vschwartz1@comcast.net</a>>
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<div class="yiv4579516998MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;">While
we are talking about vehicle
lights, please, someone
explain to me why or how
anyone would want to have
lights on the front of their
vehicle with no lights on the
rear. It appears that this
condition is industrywide and
seems to be always in the
"AUTO" mode on the headlight
switch. </span></div>
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