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S.O., Aaron and all: For me, and obviously for several other folks, this discussion on the lighting issues has been quite enlightening. I appreciate any and all comments.
<br>To me it still seems quite illogical to have ANY front lights illuminated, at any time, without having rear lights also illuminated.
<br>Steve, I will say that the motorcycle light law is good. It does make motorcycle identity much quicker. Especially for those many drivers who are out there with, as Aaron said, limited sense of their surroundings.
<br>Thanks to one and all for their comments.
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As DRL's rose in popularity in the USA, there was outcry from the motorcycle safety community. It varies state by state, but enough states have required motorcycle headlights on (that's full brightness headlights, not dimmer DRL's) for so long that motorcycles have had literally no headlight on/off switch for decades. Various studies show that motorcycles are more conspicuous and safer with daytime headlights. There was a notion that this safety margin is eroded if everything on the road has lights on.
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Canada requires DLR or did 20 years ago when I checked. GM asked the US to do the same. After years of study (probably waiting until the GM bankruptcy which was the same time) they released a study which showed there was no stastical safety difference, and when you would expect the most diffence you found the most difference: DRL was worse. Thus there is no requirement, and probably never will be.
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The last car I had where I actually knew how it was wired was a ‘96 Cavalier. It used a relay for the DRLs that put the two headlights in series, giving them 6 volts each. It may have used the hi-beams, don’t remember. In any case, there was a huge difference between the DRLs and the headlights on full power. Again, as you say other cars may be different. I’m unaware of an actual requirement for DRLs, so there may be no standard for brightness.
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.
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<p class="ox-881b693c2d-gmail-m_538832652389228715qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Yes it is 80%. There is very little increase in brightness when I turn the light switch on. Maybe its different on today’s cars, mine is 21 years old. My DRL’s are not separate light bulbs, they are the actual headlights.</span></span></span><br></p>
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<p class="ox-881b693c2d-gmail-m_538832652389228715qt-MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Yeah, what Brian said about DRLs, except maybe not at 80%. Automatic lights respond to light levels and should turn on both front and rear. Most if not all also have an instrument panel indicator so the driver can tell if the automatic lights are on. They do not know when it is raining as light levels in rain are usually above the level that turns on the lights. It is still up to the driver to turn on lights in the rain.</span></span><br></p>
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