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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:07:45 -0500<br>
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Our 2008 Silverado is like you say for replacing the bulbs, drivers side battery tray is for axillary battery (not used on ours), and is empty on most trucks<br>
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Aaron Dickinson<br>
Mason, Michigan<br>
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My truck is an ?04 Silverado.? Changing the bulbs is easy.? You pull a pin then the whole light assembly lifts/wiggles out to where you can reach the back side.? I found it hard to believe they made THAT BIG of a step backwards in the redesign.? So I looked at a couple youtube videos on how to change a bulb in a 2011 Silverado.? If you google it, you can find plenty of them.? Nobody needed a 4-post lift to do it.? Here is one of them:<br>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgSlGAVP3_M<br>
The grille is held with some screws a the top and few spring clips at the bottom (reached behind the grille from the top).? The headlamp assembly is then held by 3 bolts, 2 on top and one you reach through the wheel well after pulling the inner fender back.<br>
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If you are just changing the bulbs, not replacing the assembly, none of that is required.? You just reach the bulbs from the back.? The passenger side requires removing the air cleaner.? The driver side may require removing the battery.? The video didn?t say to remove it, but showed it removed.? (maybe to be able to get pictures?).<br>
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One video had a truck with a grille guard that drew no comments in the video.? Maybe an added aftermarket cow catcher or bulldozer blade would add complications.? If so, it is hardly the truck?s fault.<br>
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Sometimes a task is just difficult because the person doing it makes it difficult.<br>
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Mostly it's because they design for minimum component cost plus minimum assembly labor cost, period.? That's what management tells them to do, whether or not they grew up with greasy fingernails and rebuild engines on weekends, or if they live in their parents' basement and play video games the other 16 hours of the day.<br>
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:38 PM Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net> wrote:<br>
There is less than a 1/4 in between the bumper and the grill.? If there was another 1/4in, I could slip a 1/4in? universal socket with a long extension and get the grill out.?? Part of this is due to the cad programs.? The other part is very few engineers have any clue as to how to repair the vehicle they are designing...?? I guess it could be attributed to the absence of high school shop classes........? When I get the barn cleaned out and my 4post lift in there, I will get it raised up and change the lights.<br>
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Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s vintage headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but plan too. Friend of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the power load on his generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the winter, not sure if he has yet or not.<br>
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Aaron Dickinson<br>
Mason, Michigan<br>
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How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about adding rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 22:59:23 -0500<br>
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I have not installed them yet but I have LED lights bought for our electric<br>
Club Car golf cart. I bought "driving lights" for the front of it. I wanted<br>
two things, one was low draw and the other was long range so I can find<br>
horses at night when needed. We don't normally ever drive it on the road,<br>
just in an emergency, but I did also buy tail lights for it and a small<br>
amber flashing light bar.<br>
On my old tractors I mostly just need to get the electrical systems all<br>
working. What ever that is like... :-)<br>
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net> wrote:<br>
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> Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s vintage<br>
> headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but plan too. Friend<br>
> of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the power load on his<br>
> generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the winter, not sure if he has<br>
> yet or not.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Aaron Dickinson<br>
><br>
> Mason, Michigan<br>
><br>
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> *From: *James Peck <jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><br>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
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> How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about adding<br>
> rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
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> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (soffiler@gmail.com);<br>
> <snip> Funny we're talking about headlights. <snip><br>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 23:20:27 -0600<br>
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I ordered a bunch of led lights from Amazon, a dozen each of round and<br>
square ones, some are flood and some are spot.? They were about $6 each<br>
that way. ? I just replace the entire assembly.? My new MTZ/Belarus had<br>
incandescent lights that you had to strike a match to see if they were<br>
working...? The new LED's light up the entire field.?? I had to buy a<br>
$10 bracket to clamp the LED lights onto the New Holland side bar to<br>
replace the New Holland OEM $125 halogen.? I used crimp connectors with<br>
the heat shrink tubing.<br>
Cecil<br>
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On 1/16/2020 9:59 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:<br>
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> I have not installed them yet but I have LED lights bought for our<br>
> electric Club Car golf cart. I bought "driving lights" for the front<br>
> of it. I wanted two things, one was low draw and the other was long<br>
> range so I can find horses at night when needed. We don't normally<br>
> ever drive it on the road, just in an emergency, but I did also buy<br>
> tail lights for it and a small amber flashing light bar.<br>
> On my old tractors I mostly just need to get the electrical systems<br>
> all working. What ever that is like...? :-)<br>
><br>
><br>
> .<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net>> <mailto:a_dickinson@att.net>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s<br>
> vintage headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but<br>
> plan too. Friend of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the<br>
> power load on his generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the<br>
> winter, not sure if he has yet or not.<br>
><br>
> Aaron Dickinson<br>
><br>
> Mason, Michigan<br>
><br>
> *From: *James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><br>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
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> How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about<br>
> adding rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
><br>
> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer<br>
> (soffiler@gmail.com <mailto:soffiler@gmail.com>); <snip> Funny<br>
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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 23:32:04 -0600<br>
From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net><br>
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Our Ranger has a 36in Led light bar on the top.? It makes the best work<br>
light when I need to work on something at night.? It just idles and<br>
keeps the entire work area lit up.? I bought 9 in LEd light bars for the<br>
front of hte 4 wheelers.?? They have dim yellow OEM headlights that are<br>
never focused.?? They hunt coons on the lowest adjustment.? If you bump<br>
the fender they are out of focus again.? The bar clamps to the front<br>
rack and if it is not shining where you want just reach over and rotate<br>
it...<br>
Cecil<br>
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On 1/16/2020 9:59 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:<br>
><br>
> I have not installed them yet but I have LED lights bought for our<br>
> electric Club Car golf cart. I bought "driving lights" for the front<br>
> of it. I wanted two things, one was low draw and the other was long<br>
> range so I can find horses at night when needed. We don't normally<br>
> ever drive it on the road, just in an emergency, but I did also buy<br>
> tail lights for it and a small amber flashing light bar.<br>
> On my old tractors I mostly just need to get the electrical systems<br>
> all working. What ever that is like...? :-)<br>
><br>
><br>
> .<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net>> <mailto:a_dickinson@att.net>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s<br>
> vintage headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but<br>
> plan too. Friend of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the<br>
> power load on his generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the<br>
> winter, not sure if he has yet or not.<br>
><br>
> Aaron Dickinson<br>
><br>
> Mason, Michigan<br>
><br>
> *From: *James Peck <mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com><br>
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
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> How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about<br>
> adding rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
><br>
> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:52:05 +0000<br>
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Cecil's comment of the light bar as a work light reminded me. A couple years ago I bought a 20" 1200 watt LED light bar that's a combo of flood and spot for $20 on ebay. I bough a 8' stick of 2" PVC pipe and a "T" fitting. Cut a little of the pipe to use at the ends and made a frame similar to a clothes line pole 6' high with the light mounted on it. I have a steel fence post driven in the ground near an area where I split my wood. I just clip the light to the battery of the old Allis as it's running the splitter and I have plenty of light for those early sunset days of winter. Other times I just toss an old car battery on the back of the golf car with the light stuck in the bag well and I have a portable light that really lights things up!<br>
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Brad<br>
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Our Ranger has a 36in Led light bar on the top. It makes the best work light when I need to work on something at night. It just idles and keeps the entire work area lit up. I bought 9 in LEd light bars for the front of hte 4 wheelers. They have dim yellow OEM headlights that are never focused. They hunt coons on the lowest adjustment. If you bump the fender they are out of focus again. The bar clamps to the front rack and if it is not shining where you want just reach over and rotate it...<br>
Cecil<br>
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On 1/16/2020 9:59 PM, Indiana Robinson wrote:<br>
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I have not installed them yet but I have LED lights bought for our electric Club Car golf cart. I bought "driving lights" for the front of it. I wanted two things, one was low draw and the other was long range so I can find horses at night when needed. We don't normally ever drive it on the road, just in an emergency, but I did also buy tail lights for it and a small amber flashing light bar.<br>
On my old tractors I mostly just need to get the electrical systems all working. What ever that is like... :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net<mailto:a_dickinson@att.net>> wrote:<br>
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Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s vintage headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but plan too. Friend of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the power load on his generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the winter, not sure if he has yet or not.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Aaron Dickinson<br>
<br>
Mason, Michigan<br>
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How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about adding rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (soffiler@gmail.com<mailto:soffiler@gmail.com>); <snip> Funny we're talking about headlights. <snip><br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:31:49 -0500<br>
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I just checked the Steiner site, and the only 6V LED product they seem to<br>
offer is a bulb with an "1156" bi-pin base, rated 120 lumens. A regular<br>
incandescent 1156 (a common brake light bulb) is rated 27 watts, which in<br>
my experience is at least 270 lumens (10 lumens per watt is a good lowball<br>
rule of thumb) and one reference online says 400 lumens, which is<br>
plausible. The Steiner LED bulb at 120 lumens is pitiful.<br>
<br>
SO<br>
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net> wrote:<br>
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> Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s vintage<br>
> headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but plan too. Friend<br>
> of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the power load on his<br>
> generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the winter, not sure if he has<br>
> yet or not.<br>
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> Aaron Dickinson<br>
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> Mason, Michigan<br>
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> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
> *To: *Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group<br>
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> *Subject: *Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.<br>
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> How about retrofitting LED headlamps to old tractors. How about adding<br>
> rear lights? How about adding turn signals?<br>
><br>
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> Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (soffiler@gmail.com);<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:34:59 +0000<br>
From: Mitchell Daly <md31043@msn.com><br>
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I've driven by the Maryland facility several times over the years, but not lately. It's about 20 miles from me. If I get the opportunity, I will get by there and try and get some pictures to share. they sure talk a "big game".<br>
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From: AT <at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net><br>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 3:38 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [AT] OT Massey Ferguson Edgewood Maryland<br>
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I said earlier that AGCO was the worst thing to hit farm machinery in<br>
the last 50 years. I stand by that. Years ago I read some statements<br>
by the early CEO of Agco. He said that it did not matter where a<br>
tractor was built, as long as the factory met the specs and delivered on<br>
time. You are looking at lowest bidder factory . A model may be<br>
made in China last year and this year the same model is made by a<br>
factory in Korea or India or Timbuktu.<br>
<br>
I have several milling machines here that I bought 20 years ago. They<br>
were originally sold by the Summit machine tool company. They were<br>
originally built in China. Summit would bring the machines in to the<br>
OKC factory and strip all the wiring and controls out of them and<br>
replace with Square D or Siemens controls and new wiring harnesses were<br>
hand built. I bought 6 machines that were cannibalized to get the dials<br>
for some other machines. The dials were custom made to fit the oddball<br>
thread that was on the machine. I bought new standard dials for a<br>
machine, then found that the travel in a complete turn was not what the<br>
dials showed. To get the mills to work with the dials I need to get new<br>
acme thread screws and build nut assemblies to fit. I have 6 milling<br>
machines that look to be the same model, but they have slight<br>
differences. The buyer for Summit told me that many times these<br>
machines were built in a "backyard "and then hauled to a "factory" for<br>
painting. After setting in the barn for 10 years, the body putty is<br>
beginning to flake off where they smoothed off the castings. It<br>
appears that the castings were cast in a pit much as church and school<br>
bells were cast back in the early days. The iron was melted in a<br>
charcoal fired furnace. Somewhere I have some old books on casting with<br>
charcoal and a pit...<br>
Cecil<br>
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On 1/16/2020 11:27 AM, James Peck wrote:<br>
> They may be taking palletized tractors out of shipping containers and putting the wheels back on. Some assembly plant.<br>
><br>
> https://roboticsandautomationnews.com/2019/11/23/agco-completes-maryland-assembly-distribution-training-facility/26914/<br>
><br>
> Is the Massey Ferguson CUE product line sold by a separate set of dealers? It has been over 20 years since I last saw the MF dealer I used to know.<br>
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> https://news.agcocorp.com/news/agco-announces-2-million-investment-in-maryland-assembly-and-distribution-facility<br>
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> I had not known that Agco was assembling compact and utility tractors at assembly plants in Edgewood, MD; Houston; and Tacoma, WA. Are any of those castings being made in North America?<br>
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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:11:48 +0000 (UTC)<br>
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Not only that but the original 1133 bulb that the tractors used from the factory probably had quite a few more lumens than an 1156. They have a much bigger globe than an 1156.<br>
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Todd MarkleSpring Mills, Pa.<br>
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From: Stephen Offiler <soffiler@gmail.com><br>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 17, 2020 5:32 am<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] tractor hauler a pain to install headlights.<br>
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I just checked the Steiner site, and the only 6V LED product they seem to offer is a bulb with an "1156" bi-pin base, rated 120 lumens.? A regular incandescent 1156 (a common brake light bulb) is rated 27 watts, which in my experience is at least 270 lumens (10 lumens per watt is a good lowball rule of thumb) and one reference online says 400 lumens, which is plausible.? The Steiner LED bulb at 120 lumens is pitiful.<br>
SO<br>
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:48 PM Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson@att.net> wrote:<br>
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Steiner tractor parts offer led bulbs for the old 40?s- 50?s vintage headlamps (non-sealed beam). Haven?t tried them yet, but plan too. Friend of mine wanted to use them to relive some of the power load on his generator on his AC WD when plowing snow in the winter, not sure if he has yet or not.?Aaron DickinsonMason, Michigan?From: James Peck<br>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:32 AM<br>
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