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<div>You might be right for autos. My experience was Paccar (KW, Pete, etc), International, CAT, used ProE. Schlumberger and Boeing also used ProE. Things may have changed the last few years.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 15, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">To the best of my knowledge, Catia and Unigraphics NX both outpace Pro/E in the automotive industry.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:13 PM Dennis Johnson <<a href="mailto:moscowengnr@outlook.com">moscowengnr@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Most larger automotive companies and engine companies use ProE cad programs.
<div>Cad programs do not cause clearance or maintenance issues. These programs just allow the operator to make poor designs quicker than old days with tee squares.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Interesting comments on screen sizes James. I've got a dual monitor setup, 27" in front of me and 21" just to the right. When doing CAD work, it's mostly done on the main screen, with the smaller one containing notes, word processor, internet
browser, calculator, useful tools along those lines. But to comment on scale: A practical problem I run into is with small parts. It is a basic functionality of CAD to zoom, pan, and rotate the part or assembly on screen. You can take a tiny part and fill
the screen with it and lose appreciation for scale very quickly.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:32 PM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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When vehicles were designed on the board, they drew in 1/2 scale. You could look at a drawing and relate it to reality. If you taped a drawing to a wall, you could get a sense of the vehicle size. If a designer had a full size or 1/2 size CAD screen, those
inaccessible places would be much more noticeable. People doing 3D solid modelling sometimes have multiple screens, one for each view. It would be difficult to design anything on a smart phone screen. It is not much easier on a small monitor. Monitors do continually
get larger, just like TV screens.<br>
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Some years ago I read some issues of a then DaimlerChrysler employee newsletter. One article covered a group that real world verified that all maintenance operations could be performed on a new model. If the maintenance could not be performed, the group would
have to design a specialized tool or get a tool manufacturer to design the tool and offer it for sale.<br>
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They did all this after the vehicle had been designed and production was imminent. I am guessing that moving heaven and earth would be easier than getting the product design changed.<br>
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Toyota which emphasizes production efficiency not product design may not do it any differently.<br>
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Cecil Bearden AT List member, Oklahoma farmer, and Professional Engineer (<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank">crbearden@copper.net</a>); <snap> This is the problem of designing with AutoCAD and those other computer drafting programs. The designer
has no idea of the clearance in the finished product. <snip><br>
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