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    My wife drives a lot of highway miles, and we keep our cars till
    they die, the windshield and headlight lenses basically get
    sandblasted. If someone was smart they would invent,(or use) peel
    off wrappers like they use on NASCAR windshields. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2020 2:26 PM, Stephen Offiler
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      <div dir="ltr">To the best of my knowledge, Catia and Unigraphics
        NX both outpace Pro/E in the automotive industry.
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:13
          PM Dennis Johnson <<a href="mailto:moscowengnr@outlook.com"
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            Most larger automotive companies and engine companies use
            ProE cad programs.
            <div>Cad programs do not cause clearance or maintenance
              issues. These programs just allow the operator to make
              poor designs quicker than old days with tee squares.</div>
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            <div>Dennis</div>
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              <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:15 PM,
                  Stephen Offiler <<a
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                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Interesting comments on screen sizes
                    James.  I've got a dual monitor setup, 27" in front
                    of me and 21" just to the right.  When doing CAD
                    work, it's mostly done on the main screen, with the
                    smaller one containing notes, word processor,
                    internet browser, calculator, useful tools along
                    those lines.  But to comment on scale:  A practical
                    problem I run into is with small parts.  It is a
                    basic functionality of CAD to zoom, pan, and rotate
                    the part or assembly on screen.  You can take a tiny
                    part and fill the screen with it and lose
                    appreciation for scale very quickly.
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 15,
                      2020 at 12:32 PM James Peck <<a
                        href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com"
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                      When vehicles were designed on the board, they
                      drew in 1/2 scale. You could look at a drawing and
                      relate it to reality. If you taped a drawing to a
                      wall, you could get a sense of the vehicle size. 
                      If a designer had a full size or 1/2 size CAD
                      screen, those inaccessible places would be much
                      more noticeable. People doing 3D solid modelling
                      sometimes have multiple screens, one for each
                      view. It would be difficult to design anything on
                      a smart phone screen. It is not much easier on a
                      small monitor. Monitors do continually get larger,
                      just like TV screens.<br>
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                      Some years ago I read some issues of a then
                      DaimlerChrysler employee newsletter. One article
                      covered a group that real world verified that all
                      maintenance operations could be performed on a new
                      model. If the maintenance could not be performed,
                      the group would have to design a specialized tool
                      or get a tool manufacturer to design the tool and
                      offer it for sale.<br>
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                      They did all this after the vehicle had been
                      designed and production was imminent. I am
                      guessing that moving heaven and earth would be
                      easier than getting the product design changed.<br>
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                      Toyota which emphasizes production efficiency not
                      product design may not do it any differently.<br>
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                      Cecil Bearden AT List member, Oklahoma farmer, and
                      Professional Engineer (<a
                        href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>);
                      <snap> This is the problem of designing with
                      AutoCAD and those other computer drafting
                      programs. The designer has no idea of the
                      clearance in the finished product. <snip><br>
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