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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">MYPal browser is a up-to-date and maintained browser which supports Windows XP, Windows Vista, and newer versions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue">of Windows. Based on Pale Moon which was a fork from Firefox.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
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AT [mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Phil Auten<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 04, 2020 9:55 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> at@lists.antique-tractor.com<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AT] OT - unsecured servers</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The biggest problem I have with all browsers is that they have quit supporting any version of Windows older than Windows7. Both of my laptops are running older versions of
Windows, one on XP SP3 and the other on Vista SP2. I am looking at converting them both to Linux.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Phil in TX<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 1/3/2020 10:18 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Yea, TOR isn’t for everyone - just those that care enough about anonymity to use it. I personally don’t use it. Brave has been looking promising ever
since they ditched muon and based it on Chromium. Browsers, as far as security and privacy go, rank typically like this(depending on the release and the reviewer). Best to worst:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Chromium(not the same thing as Chrome!!!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Everything else you shouldn’t use<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Brave may take 2nd in 2-3 years. The current concerns with their ICO (most of the coins ended up in a small group of advertisers, kind of defeating the
purpose) and their whole model keeps them behind Firefox. But if they get the backend stuff in the light of day and working smoothly they might have something. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Spencer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Stephen Offiler
<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"><soffiler@gmail.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Spencer:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Speaking of Tor, are you familiar with the new browser called Brave?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I've been using it for a few weeks now and it's a dead-ringer for Chrome. If you do a Ctrl-Shft-N private window in Brave, it gives you an easy option to
use Tor. Otherwise, as far as I know, Tor is kind of cumbersome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">SO<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:16 PM Spencer Yost <<a href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com" moz-do-not-send="true">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Just to be clear, VPNs are primarily used to anonymize you. In other words: hide origin and identity. While the traffic between you and the VPN service
is indeed secure(provided the service is legit and well configured); after it leaves a VPN service your traffic is no different than when leaving your ISP.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I generally recommend them for people who have enough tech savvy to set them up and use them. And I am not knocking anonymity - there is something to be
said for that. the services also provide some additional features such as compression to improve your bandwidth, etc Also, regardless of it’s limitations it’s more secure than a coffee shop. But make no mistake: If you really are worried about a man
in the middle attacks(or any of the other attacks I mentioned) VPNs are not a solution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">In other words, VPNs are the cats meow when used between you and your endpoint(e.g. connecting to your employer’s internal networks). If the service is
not your endpoint your risk profile is only marginally improved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">If your are serious about anonymity you should look into the TOR network.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Spencer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Jan 2, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Easley, Greg A. <<a href="mailto:EasleyG@health.missouri.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">EasleyG@health.missouri.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Very good advice there.<br>
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I would add one thing to that - purchase a subscription to one of the commercial VPN services.<br>
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Greg<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: AT [mailto:<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] On Behalf Of Spencer Yost<br>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:13 PM<br>
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] OT - unsecured servers<br>
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Since cybersecurity is my line of work, I’ll jump in. Do these things:<br>
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Always manually type the url - never click off an email or some other source.<br>
2FA is always awesome(everyone should do this whenever available).<br>
Close the browser, or at least each browser tab, when you are done.<br>
Private browsing tabs with cookies blocked are great too but some sites don’t have authentication procedures that behave well with private tabs or cookies blocked so this is hit or miss.<br>
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As an added bonus always clear the cookies, cache, and local storage related to the website before you close the browser. This will prevent any near-future malware infection from taking advantage of an valid session.<br>
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The lack of a secure private Internet connection should not be too much of a concern. The fact of the matter remains that after your traffic leaves your ISP at your home it’s on a public network as well. Between the HTTPS protocol and the steps above you should
be fine.<br>
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The primary concerns are XSS and CRSF attacks(I’ll let you look them up). Both requires malware (or attempt to trick you into redirecting your attempts to login) and/or an active session for to take advantage of you. So by following those steps you will thwart
them.<br>
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2FA helps to thwart password cracking success. That means even if someone has cracked your password (usually they have cracked a bunch because the site uses a digest hash that was weak - or worse the idiot site stores the password in plain text) they can’t
log in without you knowing and confirming.<br>
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Of course, if you are already infected, school is out anyways and you have already been compromised and your money is probably already gone. If it’s still there, you are good.<br>
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Waiting for the ball to drop.....<br>
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Spencer<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:38 PM, Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Going on vacation for a while in the Keys. I found out too late that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">the place does not have wi-fi. I have some banking items to take care
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">of and am leery of taking care of it over an unsecured connection.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This is time sensitive and needs to be done. My banks both use 2 step
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">authentication does that help at all?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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