<div style="color:black;font: 10pt Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">I think there may be some confusion over using the term 'tombstone". I believe that the "real" tombstone (the desirable one that goes for a high price) is the Idealarc that Cecil mentioned. It has a elliptical or oval shaped top of the housing and is probably 3 feet tall when sitting on the floor. It has a crank to change the amperage.
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<div>The 225 was/is available in AC only or AC/DC. It has a flat top with two 45 deg corners. They are only about 2 feet tall. The AC version I used from $25 to $200 or so. They still sell new for $300 or so. The AC/DC version is more desirable and don't come up for sale as often, but can probably be bought in the $200-400 range. Some people might think these look like a tombstone.</div>
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From: Cecil Bearden <crbearden@copper.net><br>
To: at <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2019 10:06 am<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] Antique tractors that are too expensive<br>
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<div>It doesn't have to be old Maybe I should have stated that what
sets these welders apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that
welder sells new for MSRP 2892.00 see this link
<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" class="yiv3502673171moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx">https://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/equipment/stick-welders/Pages/idealarc.aspx</a>
The new ones are square box not the old tombstone. I have a
couple of the newer ones here that I have not checked out. The
one I use all the time had a burned out diode and I found one on
Ebay but it was the wrong polarity, so I mounted it on plexiglass
and ran it reversed and it works fine. Liincoln wants over $300
for the diodes. I got mine for $20 !! The diodes are all I have
ever had to replace on them. The transformers are built
extremely heavy. The welder weighs probably 350lbs. There are
some on Ebay for about $600 but the shipping runs the cost up.
Like everything at Farm sales, there is someone there who has some
sentimental attachment to the item and pays a fortune. I saw 2
brothers bid on an old desk that belonged to their Uncle and paid
over $2500 for a desk that I have seen in a thrift store for $20
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<div dir="ltr">Again I inquire, how old is old? Is my late '70's
ish tombstone old enough? (I'd take a grand for it in a
heartbeat and put it towards a modern TIG/stick unit)
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AM Cecil Bearden <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>At a Farm sale about 3 months ago, an old 225 AC/DC
Lincoln went for $1200, the leads were about to fall
apart. It looked like it had a rod holder from 1945!!<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Hold on, you say old LIncoln tombstones go
for a grand? How old do they have to be? I've got a
225 AC/DC that I picked up at an auction for $50, had to
be 20 years ago, and it was certainly not new then. As
a wild guess I'd say it must be late '70's to early
80's. Externally it doesn't seem much different from
modern ones and I greatly doubt mine is old enough to be
worth anything. Curious though.
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at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:crbearden@copper.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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<div>I always wanted an old Lincoln "tombstone"225
AC/DC welder. They sell at auction for over
$1000. An old local farmer had an estate
auction and I was at the back of the crowd when
his Lincoln Tombstone welder came up for auction.
I got it for $400, but after I got it home is was
a tombstone, but it was AC only..... I finally
got the chance to buy one on Craigs list for
$600. Then a year later I bought 4 that had been
rebuilt for a VO-Tech out west for $450 for the
lot!!! I first welded with one of them during
college at OSU. I fell in love with the welder.
Those welders have an open arc voltage of about
90V. They will make you jump when welding on wet
stuff... However, they run 7018 LH as pretty as
you could ever want. I have mounted one on a 15KW
generator for a portable welder. It works great
and I have plenty of power to run grinders etc. <br clear="none">
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<div>On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;">I purchased my used
Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder for $100 at a
swap meet. It is quite old. I haven’t taken
the time to try to figure out how old but I
wanted to buy an older one after looking at
new ones. I looked at the guts of a new one
vs how the old ones were built and decided
an old one would last longer and probably
weld better. I’ve had it 10 years and it is
ready to go every time I need it. IMHO,
sometimes new isn’t always better. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;"> AT <a rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com></a>
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">I've
also seen people bid way too high, they get
caught up in the excitement. I was standing
next to a guy who was bidding on an old
tombstone welder. I wanted it too. I think he
ended up paying $300 for it. You could buy a
new one for less than that. It's pays to know
what things cost before bidding on them. I was
bidding, but dropped out at $150, because that
is all I was willing to pay.<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal">We have all seen it:
the tractor the seller is asking way
too much for. Or conversely; why buyers
don’t show up for our obviously
wonderful tractor that we post in
EBay/Craigslist/whatever.</div>
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal">So listening to
podcasts tonight, I ran across a podcast
that was discussing many things,
including a discussion with a
psychologist from Berkeley who was
explaining the “endowment effect”. I was
unaware of this. Though I had intuited
it many times I did not know it was a
“thing”.</div>
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short it explains why people often seem
to ask way more for a tractor that I’m
willing to pay.</div>
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is true regardless of how long they
owned it or whether it had any other
type (e.g. nostalgia) of value. </div>
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal">Unfortunately, the
podcast did not describe how I, the
buyer, could negotiate my way around
this.</div>
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<div class="yiv3502673171MsoNormal">PS: I will be that
seller if I ever sell the Pacer. (-;</div>
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