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<p>Dean:<br>
Nothing I can say can alleviate what you have experienced. I
have had those experiences and pulled one older fellow out of a
round baler. It stays with you for a few nights. I am lucky in
that I seem to be able to analyze what happened step by step.
That is my method for coping with those bad experiences.<br>
Cecil <br>
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shocking experience for you. I hope you have someone to talk
your feelings out to. I know from experience that that helps,
because as an EMT, I ran into that type of situation more than
once. I hope you, and his mother can come to grips with the
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<div>I have just had a terrible experience. I mentioned
earlier about my Trailer Queen buying experience from
the son of a close friend on AZ who passed away on
November. I went over there today and found the son on
the floor of the shop passed away some time during the
night. What a thing to walk into. I just can't fathom
how his mother who just lost her husband last month
and now also a son is going to handle this. She is
not in good health either. When it rains it pours.
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<div>Date: 12/23/19 9:44 AM (GMT-07:00) </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Ok thanks Cecil. Mine is definitely
not a 350-lb Idealarc. Mine is just an older
version of this $700 MSRP machine ($620 on Amazon
and Home Depot)
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<div>PS: plexiglas? I get that you need
electrical isolation since polarity is backward,
but don't those diodes need to be heat-sinked?</div>
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Bearden <<a shape="rect"
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<p>It doesn't have to be old Maybe I should
have stated that what sets these welders
apart is the IDEALARC 250 designation, that
welder sells new for MSRP 2892.00 see this
link
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The new ones are square box not the old
tombstone. I have a couple of the newer
ones here that I have not checked out. The
one I use all the time had a burned out
diode and I found one on Ebay but it was the
wrong polarity, so I mounted it on
plexiglass and ran it reversed and it works
fine. Liincoln wants over $300 for the
diodes. I got mine for $20 !! The diodes
are all I have ever had to replace on
them. The transformers are built extremely
heavy. The welder weighs probably 350lbs.
There are some on Ebay for about $600 but
the shipping runs the cost up. Like
everything at Farm sales, there is someone
there who has some sentimental attachment to
the item and pays a fortune. I saw 2
brothers bid on an old desk that belonged to
their Uncle and paid over $2500 for a desk
that I have seen in a thrift store for $20
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<div dir="ltr">Again I inquire, how old is
old? Is my late '70's ish tombstone old
enough? (I'd take a grand for it in a
heartbeat and put it towards a modern
TIG/stick unit)
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<p>At a Farm sale about 3 months ago,
an old 225 AC/DC Lincoln went for
$1200, the leads were about to fall
apart. It looked like it had a rod
holder from 1945!!<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Hold on, you say old
LIncoln tombstones go for a
grand? How old do they have to
be? I've got a 225 AC/DC that I
picked up at an auction for $50,
had to be 20 years ago, and it was
certainly not new then. As a wild
guess I'd say it must be late
'70's to early 80's. Externally
it doesn't seem much
different from modern ones and I
greatly doubt mine is old enough
to be worth anything. Curious
though.
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at 6:22 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>I always wanted an old
Lincoln "tombstone"225 AC/DC
welder. They sell at
auction for over $1000.
An old local farmer had an
estate auction and I was at
the back of the crowd when
his Lincoln Tombstone welder
came up for auction. I got
it for $400, but after I got
it home is was a tombstone,
but it was AC only..... I
finally got the chance to
buy one on Craigs list for
$600. Then a year later I
bought 4 that had been
rebuilt for a VO-Tech out
west for $450 for the
lot!!! I first welded with
one of them during college
at OSU. I fell in love with
the welder. Those welders
have an open arc voltage of
about 90V. They will make
you jump when welding on wet
stuff... However, they run
7018 LH as pretty as you
could ever want. I have
mounted one on a 15KW
generator for a portable
welder. It works great and
I have plenty of power to
run grinders etc. <br
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<div>On 12/22/2019 2:59 PM, <a
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style="color:windowtext;">I purchased my used Lincoln 225 AMP arc welder
for $100 at a swap
meet. It is quite old.
I haven’t taken the
time to try to figure
out how old but I
wanted to buy an older
one after looking at
new ones. I looked at
the guts of a new one
vs how the old ones
were built and decided
an old one would last
longer and probably
weld better. I’ve had
it 10 years and it is
ready to go every time
I need it. IMHO,
sometimes new isn’t
always better. </span></p>
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style="color:windowtext;">Snohomish, WA 98290</span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12pt;">I've also seen people bid way too high, they
get caught up in the
excitement. I was
standing next to a guy
who was bidding on an
old tombstone welder. I
wanted it too. I think
he ended up paying $300
for it. You could buy a
new one for less than
that. It's pays to know
what things cost before
bidding on them. I was
bidding, but dropped out
at $150, because that is
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have all seen it:
the tractor the
seller is asking
way too much for.
Or conversely; why
buyers don’t show
up for our
obviously
wonderful tractor
that we post in
EBay/Craigslist/whatever.</p>
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<p
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listening to
podcasts tonight,
I ran across a
podcast that was
discussing many
things, including
a discussion with
a psychologist
from Berkeley who
was explaining the
“endowment
effect”. I was
unaware of
this. Though I had
intuited it many
times I did not
know it was a
“thing”.</p>
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story
short it explains
why people often
seem to ask way
more for a tractor
that I’m willing
to pay.</p>
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this is true
regardless of how
long they owned it
or whether it had
any other type
(e.g. nostalgia)
of value. </p>
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the podcast did
not describe how
I, the buyer,
could negotiate my
way around this.</p>
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I will be that
seller if I ever
sell the Pacer.
(-;</p>
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