<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hold on a second there Mark. Since I've already stated my position as a proponent of Lean/TPS, I should probably play devil's advocate here. You imply the application of TPS has caused financial difficulties. I suspect the reality is the financial difficulties came first, TPS was perhaps one of many tools employed to turn the barge around, and we have no way of knowing whether the decline might have been even worse had they not tried TPS.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>SO</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:30 AM Mark Johnson <<a href="mailto:markjohnson100@centurylink.net">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>A former employer (3-letter IT company with a 100+ year history,
otherwise to remain nameless) has been trying to apply TPS to
information technology services. Its NYSE stock price should tell
you how successful they have been...</p>
<p>Mark J</p>
<p>Columbia, MO<br>
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<div>On 11/30/2019 7:27 AM, Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">Absolutely. The Toyota Production System (TPS) is
studied around the world and applied in every imaginable
industry as "Lean Manufacturing" and in service industries like
hospitals as simply "Lean".
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<div>I have a couple decades of experience with Lean Mfg. and I
would count myself as a proponent although I've also seen some
of the Achilles' Heels. It is a very collaborative system at
its core, and won't work well unless the entire workforce is
engaged. In short what I'm saying is that I cannot imagine a
UAW shop embracing Lean.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 7:42
AM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Toyota
does a really good job at controlling the manufacturing
process. Not so good at the attractive design process. Toyota
refused an offer to take GM for free in the 2008 GM
bankruptcy. That was an extremely wise decision. Everything
necessary to make GM work well would have been politically
unpopular.<br>
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Remember, Toyota can manufacture cars and trucks in the US
using Americans and make money. There may be more.<br>
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Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>); So which
automotive companies in your estimation are not run by cabbage
heads?<br>
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James AT List Member (<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>);
They have cabbage heads running Ford as well. The recent
Ranger is far less attractive than the one that preceded it.<br>
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Steve Offiler AT List member Mechanical Engineer (<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>); <snip>
I've paid so little attention to the return of the Ranger that
I barely could tell you it exists. <snip><br>
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