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<p>I am a believer in Electric power. Many years ago when we had
something like 14 small engines to keep running on various
sprayers, elevators, augers, etc. before the advent of ethanol
gas. We still had problems with carburetors and ignition..... I
had a source of good used 3 phase motors cheap. We found 2 old
military 3phase diesel generators and kept them running and
exercised. Our engine problems were eliminated. a 5hp 3ph
electric motor will run a 40ft auger much better than those old
cast iron 10hp Briggs engines. A 3hp electric motor would run a
hypro sprayer pump great...<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2019 10:39 AM, Carl Baker or
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<div dir="ltr">Stephen wrote: "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Anyway,
you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they
cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more
rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are
everywhere. I refuse to accept less convenience and less
utility for higher cost."</span>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">So, umm - now? Tesla's
truck is $10k less than a comparable F-150. Chevrolet's
Bolt (car) is about $10k more than a comparable gas car. My
Nissan Leaf charges in the 5 seconds it takes me to plug it
in when I get home. I don't have to stand there and watch
it charge. I also refuse to accept less convenience and
less utility for higher cost. Which is why I'm converting
my fleet from gas to electric as quickly as I can afford it
(not very quickly). Honestly, I'm keen to convert my old
Ford tractor to electric. I'm tired of schlepping gas from
the gas station for it. Or roading it to the gas station to
fill it up. Which I should probably do today - a storm is
expected....</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">I am sort of a Luddite. Well, at least, I'm
the opposite of an "early adopter" consumer. Late adopter I
guess?
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<div>The idea of electric vehicles gives me range anxiety.
That's a real thing, a concept explored by GM with
their EV-1. Remember that electric car? They built 1000
and leased them so they could get them all back. It was a
giant engineering experiment that I found brilliant. But
a whole bunch of environmentalists who didn't grasp that
concept hate GM to this day because they couldn't keep
their EV-1. I guess they didn't read the fine print.</div>
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<div>Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now
trucks) until they cost on par with a petrol-fueled
equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than they do now,
and charging stations are everywhere. I refuse to accept
less convenience and less utility for higher cost.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at
8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>That trip range does not take into account running
the air conditioner, heater, defroster, Wipers and
lights.... My wife & I bought some Dewalt
electric heated coats on sale a couple of years ago.
They were just barely more than the regular price of a
battery and included a 12 and 115 volt charger and an
adapter for USB to charge your phone. They sold out
along the east Coast for the folks using them to
commute and could not keep warm in the Chevy Volt and
Toyota Prius when running lights heater defroster and
wipers in snow while commuting to work.. <br>
When that cost per mile is figured in does it take
into consideration the battery life and the
replacement cost. I talked to a Prius owner who had a
2 yr old one on the original battery and was looking
to trade it in for a new one as the battery cost was a
small fortune...<br>
On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with EFI is
the hardest thing on the place to start when the temp
is under 45deg. After the dealer tuning it up and
changing oil, it still is the hardest thing to start
on the planet... I bought a couple of plugs this
afternoon to make sure the dealer changed them....<br>
I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C. The
more I deal with gasoline engines the more I want to
convert them to propane or diesel. I'm thinking
seriously of adapting my "new" skid steer to propane.
It has a VG4d Wisconsin. I have an air cooled heat
exchanger for up to 60hp. The tank would add
counterbalance weight.<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>I just wonder how many fully charged cell
phones it will take to "limp it home" if it gets
totally discharged. 😀</div>
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<div dir="ltr">LOL! Agreed. When I saw the
"Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec 0-60 and a
claimed 500 mi range, I was thinking that's got
to be a huge battery and expected Model-S level
pricetag.
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<div>My earlier comment assumes we have more
than a few List members willing to voice an
opinion on newfangled electric vehicle
technology.</div>
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22, 2019 at 11:32 AM Spencer Yost <<a
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<div dir="auto">What? Everyone needs a
tractor hauling truck. Even if it’s too
fancy for its own good, is super ugly, has
terrible range, and cost too much. :-)
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<div>Actually the cost was a tad less than
I expected. I did notice the three
engine/tow ratings were designed to
approximate a half ton, three-quarter
ton, and 1 ton trucks.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Oh boy... here we
go... and Spencer started it!
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ugly:<br>
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But I’m sure sometime in the
next 4 to 6 years we will see
one in Portland with an antique
tractor behind it.<br>
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I’m sure the range will stink
while towing; at least at first.
But I’ll bet towing with
electric motors would probably
be pretty awesome. Would not
mind trying it once.<br>
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Spencer<br>
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