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<p>For only a hundred dollar deposit I would imagine a lot of people
that got on the list will never actually get one or will sell
there spot on the list in the future for more money or 185000 was
released by the marketer just to fuel interest. (not sure you
fuel interest with electricity or fossil fuel)</p>
<p>Brian<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2019 7:35 AM, Cecil Bearden
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<p>I had to build a special bobtail truck to pull my gooseneck
trailers since my "new" 3/4 ton bed is so high the gooseneck is
not high enough. <br>
Cecil<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Given the makeup of ATIS - people who are fans of
old farm tractors - I'd be pretty surprised to find anyone
here who truly likes it.
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<div>But on my Facebook feed, I am seeing some small fraction
of my friends who DO like it. Demographics on my group of
friends there are FAR more broad, in terms of age,
education, socio-economic status, political orientation,
etc. Still a smal fraction by my completely informal
estimation. Now take 180,000 and divide by the number of
vehicles sold annually in the USA, call it 18 million. So,
1/1000. Yeah, that sounds about right. How many of them
are hauling kids to soccer practice, and how many of them
are farmers and tradespeople who actually need a pickup?</div>
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AM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
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<p>I got an email yesterday saying that they already had
orders for over 180K of those ugly electric "pickups"...<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I can't even imagine how someone even can
come up with the idea of something that ugly.
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<div>Reminds me of when Honda were gonna begin
marketing the new Honda Fitta. Later called Jazz in
Europe and (I believe) Fit in the rest of the world.
They've even made brochures with the slogan "Small
on the outside, big on the inside". Problem is that
fitta in swedish means cunt. All scandinavians and
many people in northern Europe knows that.</div>
<div>I think you all can imagine how many funny "car
tests" that were made from that... I was takin' the
.... for a ride. It was a pleasant... etc.</div>
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<div>Med vänlig hälsning</div>
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<div>Mattias Kessén</div>
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<div>Hässelstad Solhöjden 2</div>
<div>594 93 Gamleby</div>
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<div>070-523 59 00</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den lör 23 nov. 2019
kl 03:13 skrev Stephen Offiler <<a
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<div dir="ltr">I am sort of a Luddite. Well, at
least, I'm the opposite of an "early adopter"
consumer. Late adopter I guess?
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<div>The idea of electric vehicles gives me range
anxiety. That's a real thing, a concept
explored by GM with their EV-1. Remember that
electric car? They built 1000 and leased them
so they could get them all back. It was a giant
engineering experiment that I found brilliant.
But a whole bunch of environmentalists who
didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this day
because they couldn't keep their EV-1. I guess
they didn't read the fine print.</div>
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<div>Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and
now trucks) until they cost on par with a
petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more
rapidly than they do now, and charging stations
are everywhere. I refuse to accept less
convenience and less utility for higher cost.</div>
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2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>That trip range does not take into account
running the air conditioner, heater,
defroster, Wipers and lights.... My wife
& I bought some Dewalt electric heated
coats on sale a couple of years ago. They
were just barely more than the regular price
of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt
charger and an adapter for USB to charge
your phone. They sold out along the east
Coast for the folks using them to commute
and could not keep warm in the Chevy Volt
and Toyota Prius when running lights heater
defroster and wipers in snow while commuting
to work.. <br>
When that cost per mile is figured in does
it take into consideration the battery life
and the replacement cost. I talked to a
Prius owner who had a 2 yr old one on the
original battery and was looking to trade it
in for a new one as the battery cost was a
small fortune...<br>
On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc
with EFI is the hardest thing on the place
to start when the temp is under 45deg.
After the dealer tuning it up and changing
oil, it still is the hardest thing to start
on the planet... I bought a couple of
plugs this afternoon to make sure the dealer
changed them....<br>
I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with
A/C. The more I deal with gasoline engines
the more I want to convert them to propane
or diesel. I'm thinking seriously of
adapting my "new" skid steer to propane. It
has a VG4d Wisconsin. I have an air cooled
heat exchanger for up to 60hp. The tank
would add counterbalance weight.<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>I just wonder how many fully charged
cell phones it will take to "limp it
home" if it gets totally discharged. 😀</div>
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Nov 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">LOL! Agreed. When I saw
the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec
0-60 and a claimed 500 mi range, I was
thinking that's got to be a huge
battery and expected Model-S level
pricetag.
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<div>My earlier comment assumes we
have more than a few List members
willing to voice an opinion on
newfangled electric vehicle
technology.</div>
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<div dir="auto">What? Everyone
needs a tractor hauling truck.
Even if it’s too fancy for its own
good, is super ugly, has terrible
range, and cost too much. :-)
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<div>Actually the cost was a tad
less than I expected. I did
notice the three engine/tow
ratings were designed to
approximate a half ton,
three-quarter ton, and 1 ton
trucks.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Oh boy...
here we go... and
Spencer started it!
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Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at
11:13 AM Spencer Yost
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ugly:<br>
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But I’m sure sometime
in the next 4 to 6
years we will see one
in Portland with an
antique tractor behind
it.<br>
<br>
I’m sure the range
will stink while
towing; at least at
first. But I’ll bet
towing with electric
motors would probably
be pretty awesome.
Would not mind trying
it once.<br>
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Spencer<br>
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