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    <p>For only a hundred dollar deposit I would imagine a lot of people
      that got on the list will never actually get one or will sell
      there spot on the list in the future for more money or 185000 was
      released by the marketer just to fuel interest.  (not sure you
      fuel interest with electricity or fossil fuel)</p>
    <p>Brian<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2019 7:35 AM, Cecil Bearden
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>I had to build a special bobtail truck to pull my gooseneck
        trailers since my "new" 3/4 ton bed is so high the gooseneck is
        not high enough. <br>
        Cecil<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2019 8:29 AM, Stephen
        Offiler wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Given the makeup of ATIS - people who are fans of
          old farm tractors - I'd be pretty surprised to find anyone
          here who truly likes it.
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          <div>But on my Facebook feed, I am seeing some small fraction
            of my friends who DO like it.  Demographics on my group of
            friends there are FAR more broad, in terms of age,
            education, socio-economic status, political orientation,
            etc.  Still a smal fraction by my completely informal
            estimation.  Now take 180,000 and divide by the number of
            vehicles sold annually in the USA, call it 18 million.  So,
            1/1000.  Yeah, that sounds about right.  How many of them
            are hauling kids to soccer practice, and how many of them
            are farmers and tradespeople who actually need a pickup?</div>
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          <div>SO</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 8:37
            AM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
              moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <p>I got an email yesterday saying that they already had
                orders for over 180K of those ugly electric "pickups"...<br>
                Cecil<br>
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              <div>On 11/27/2019 5:17 AM, Mattias Kessén wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">I can't even imagine how someone even can
                  come up with the idea of something that ugly.
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                  <div>Reminds me of when Honda were gonna begin
                    marketing the new Honda Fitta. Later called Jazz in
                    Europe and (I believe) Fit in the rest of the world.
                    They've even made brochures with the slogan "Small
                    on the outside, big on the inside". Problem is that
                    fitta in swedish means cunt. All scandinavians and
                    many people in northern Europe knows that.</div>
                  <div>I think you all can imagine how many funny "car
                    tests" that were made from that... I was takin' the
                    .... for a ride. It was a pleasant... etc.</div>
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                          <div>Med vänlig hälsning</div>
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                          <div>Mattias Kessén</div>
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                          <div>Hässelstad Solhöjden 2</div>
                          <div>594 93 Gamleby</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den lör 23 nov. 2019
                    kl 03:13 skrev Stephen Offiler <<a
                      href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">soffiler@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">I am sort of a Luddite.  Well, at
                      least, I'm the opposite of an "early adopter"
                      consumer. Late adopter I guess?
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                      <div>The idea of electric vehicles gives me range
                        anxiety.  That's a real thing, a concept
                        explored by GM with their EV-1.  Remember that
                        electric car?  They built 1000 and leased them
                        so they could get them all back. It was a giant
                        engineering experiment that I found brilliant. 
                         But a whole bunch of environmentalists who
                        didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this day
                        because they couldn't keep their EV-1.  I guess
                        they didn't read the fine print.</div>
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                      <div>Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and
                        now trucks) until they cost on par with a
                        petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more
                        rapidly than they do now, and charging stations
                        are everywhere.  I refuse to accept less
                        convenience and less utility for higher cost.</div>
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                      <div>SO</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 22,
                        2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
                          href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <p>That trip range does not take into account
                            running the air conditioner, heater,
                            defroster, Wipers and lights....  My wife
                            & I bought some Dewalt electric heated
                            coats on sale a couple of years ago.  They
                            were just barely more than the regular price
                            of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt
                            charger and an adapter for USB to charge
                            your phone.  They sold out along the east
                            Coast for the folks using them to commute
                            and could not keep warm in the Chevy Volt
                            and Toyota Prius when running lights heater
                            defroster and wipers in snow while commuting
                            to work..  <br>
                            When that cost per mile is figured in does
                            it take into consideration the battery life
                            and the replacement cost.  I talked to a
                            Prius owner who had a 2 yr old one on the
                            original battery and was looking to trade it
                            in for a new one as the battery cost was a
                            small fortune...<br>
                            On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc
                            with EFI is the hardest thing on the place
                            to start when the temp is under 45deg.   
                            After the dealer tuning it up and changing
                            oil, it still is the hardest thing to start
                            on the planet...    I bought a couple of
                            plugs this afternoon to make sure the dealer
                            changed them....<br>
                            I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with
                            A/C.  The more I deal with gasoline engines
                            the more I want to convert them to propane
                            or diesel.   I'm thinking seriously of
                            adapting my "new" skid steer to propane.  It
                            has a VG4d Wisconsin.  I have an air cooled
                            heat exchanger for up to 60hp.  The tank
                            would add counterbalance weight.<br>
                            Cecil<br>
                          </p>
                          <div>On 11/22/2019 5:44 PM, Indiana Robinson
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div>I just wonder how many fully charged
                                cell phones it will take to "limp it
                                home" if it gets totally discharged.  😀</div>
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                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri,
                                Nov 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Stephen Offiler
                                <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">soffiler@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">LOL!  Agreed.  When I saw
                                  the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec
                                  0-60 and a claimed 500 mi range, I was
                                  thinking that's got to be a huge
                                  battery and expected Model-S level
                                  pricetag.
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                                  <div>My earlier comment assumes we
                                    have more than a few List members
                                    willing to voice an opinion on
                                    newfangled electric vehicle
                                    technology.</div>
                                  <div><br>
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                                  <div>SO</div>
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                                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
                                    Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:32 AM
                                    Spencer Yost <<a
                                      href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="auto">What?   Everyone
                                      needs a tractor hauling truck.  
                                      Even if it’s too fancy for its own
                                      good, is super ugly, has terrible
                                      range, and cost too much. :-)
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                                        <div>Actually the cost was a tad
                                          less than I expected.   I did
                                          notice the three engine/tow
                                          ratings were designed to
                                          approximate a half ton,
                                          three-quarter ton, and 1 ton
                                          trucks.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div dir="ltr">Sent from my
                                            iPhone</div>
                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">On
                                              Nov 22, 2019, at 11:23 AM,
                                              Stephen Offiler <<a
                                                href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">soffiler@gmail.com</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                              <div dir="ltr">Oh boy...
                                                here we go... and
                                                Spencer started it!
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                                                <div>SO</div>
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                                                  class="gmail_attr">On
                                                  Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at
                                                  11:13 AM Spencer Yost
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">spencer@rdfarms.com</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                  ugly:<br>
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                                                  But I’m sure sometime
                                                  in the next 4 to 6
                                                  years we will see one
                                                  in Portland with an
                                                  antique tractor behind
                                                  it.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I’m sure the range
                                                  will stink while
                                                  towing; at least at
                                                  first. But I’ll bet
                                                  towing with electric
                                                  motors would probably
                                                  be pretty awesome.
                                                  Would not mind trying
                                                  it once.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Spencer<br>
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                                  Francis Robinson<br>
                                  aka "farmer"<br>
                                  Central Indiana USA<br>
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