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<p>I had to build a special bobtail truck to pull my gooseneck
trailers since my "new" 3/4 ton bed is so high the gooseneck is
not high enough. <br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2019 8:29 AM, Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">Given the makeup of ATIS - people who are fans of
old farm tractors - I'd be pretty surprised to find anyone here
who truly likes it.
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<div>But on my Facebook feed, I am seeing some small fraction of
my friends who DO like it. Demographics on my group of
friends there are FAR more broad, in terms of age, education,
socio-economic status, political orientation, etc. Still a
smal fraction by my completely informal estimation. Now take
180,000 and divide by the number of vehicles sold annually in
the USA, call it 18 million. So, 1/1000. Yeah, that sounds
about right. How many of them are hauling kids to soccer
practice, and how many of them are farmers and tradespeople
who actually need a pickup?</div>
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<p>I got an email yesterday saying that they already had
orders for over 180K of those ugly electric "pickups"...<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>On 11/27/2019 5:17 AM, Mattias Kessén wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I can't even imagine how someone even can
come up with the idea of something that ugly.
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<div>Reminds me of when Honda were gonna begin marketing
the new Honda Fitta. Later called Jazz in Europe and
(I believe) Fit in the rest of the world. They've even
made brochures with the slogan "Small on the outside,
big on the inside". Problem is that fitta in swedish
means cunt. All scandinavians and many people in
northern Europe knows that.</div>
<div>I think you all can imagine how many funny "car
tests" that were made from that... I was takin' the
.... for a ride. It was a pleasant... etc.</div>
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<div>Med vänlig hälsning</div>
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<div>Mattias Kessén</div>
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<div>Hässelstad Solhöjden 2</div>
<div>594 93 Gamleby</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Den lör 23 nov. 2019
kl 03:13 skrev Stephen Offiler <<a
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<div dir="ltr">I am sort of a Luddite. Well, at
least, I'm the opposite of an "early adopter"
consumer. Late adopter I guess?
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<div>The idea of electric vehicles gives me range
anxiety. That's a real thing, a concept explored
by GM with their EV-1. Remember that electric
car? They built 1000 and leased them so they
could get them all back. It was a giant
engineering experiment that I found brilliant.
But a whole bunch of environmentalists who didn't
grasp that concept hate GM to this day because
they couldn't keep their EV-1. I guess they
didn't read the fine print.</div>
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<div>Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and
now trucks) until they cost on par with a
petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more
rapidly than they do now, and charging stations
are everywhere. I refuse to accept less
convenience and less utility for higher cost.</div>
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2019 at 8:42 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
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<p>That trip range does not take into account
running the air conditioner, heater,
defroster, Wipers and lights.... My wife
& I bought some Dewalt electric heated
coats on sale a couple of years ago. They
were just barely more than the regular price
of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt
charger and an adapter for USB to charge your
phone. They sold out along the east Coast for
the folks using them to commute and could not
keep warm in the Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius
when running lights heater defroster and
wipers in snow while commuting to work.. <br>
When that cost per mile is figured in does it
take into consideration the battery life and
the replacement cost. I talked to a Prius
owner who had a 2 yr old one on the original
battery and was looking to trade it in for a
new one as the battery cost was a small
fortune...<br>
On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with
EFI is the hardest thing on the place to start
when the temp is under 45deg. After the
dealer tuning it up and changing oil, it still
is the hardest thing to start on the
planet... I bought a couple of plugs this
afternoon to make sure the dealer changed
them....<br>
I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C.
The more I deal with gasoline engines the more
I want to convert them to propane or diesel.
I'm thinking seriously of adapting my "new"
skid steer to propane. It has a VG4d
Wisconsin. I have an air cooled heat
exchanger for up to 60hp. The tank would add
counterbalance weight.<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div>I just wonder how many fully charged
cell phones it will take to "limp it home"
if it gets totally discharged. 😀</div>
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Nov 22, 2019 at 11:39 AM Stephen Offiler
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<div dir="ltr">LOL! Agreed. When I saw
the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec
0-60 and a claimed 500 mi range, I was
thinking that's got to be a huge battery
and expected Model-S level pricetag.
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<div>My earlier comment assumes we have
more than a few List members willing
to voice an opinion on newfangled
electric vehicle technology.</div>
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<div dir="auto">What? Everyone needs
a tractor hauling truck. Even if
it’s too fancy for its own good, is
super ugly, has terrible range, and
cost too much. :-)
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<div>Actually the cost was a tad
less than I expected. I did
notice the three engine/tow
ratings were designed to
approximate a half ton,
three-quarter ton, and 1 ton
trucks.<br>
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22, 2019, at 11:23 AM,
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<div dir="ltr">Oh boy...
here we go... and Spencer
started it!
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11:13 AM Spencer Yost
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ugly:<br>
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But I’m sure sometime in
the next 4 to 6 years we
will see one in Portland
with an antique tractor
behind it.<br>
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I’m sure the range will
stink while towing; at
least at first. But I’ll
bet towing with electric
motors would probably be
pretty awesome. Would
not mind trying it once.<br>
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Spencer<br>
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