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Driver vision in a pickup is much better than even in a SUV; and with a pickup they can occasionally haul an easy chair (or whatever); and their pickup gas mileage may not be that bad. Unfortunately driver's vision in a Camaro is poorer than even in a sedan; and vision in a Corvette is even less. The last interstate wreck we had to detour around was a Vette fatally under the rear of a semi.
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And a 'big boxy' pickup is more readily seen by other traffic; the main reason I quit riding motorcycles decades ago. Herb(GA)
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Given the makeup of ATIS - people who are fans of old farm tractors - I'd be pretty surprised to find anyone here who truly likes it.
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But on my Facebook feed, I am seeing some small fraction of my friends who DO like it. Demographics on my group of friends there are FAR more broad, in terms of age, education, socio-economic status, political orientation, etc. Still a smal fraction by my completely informal estimation. Now take 180,000 and divide by the number of vehicles sold annually in the USA, call it 18 million. So, 1/1000. Yeah, that sounds about right. How many of them are hauling kids to soccer practice, and how many of them are farmers and tradespeople who actually need a pickup?
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<p>I got an email yesterday saying that they already had orders for over 180K of those ugly electric "pickups"...<br> Cecil<br></p>
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I can't even imagine how someone even can come up with the idea of something that ugly.
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Reminds me of when Honda were gonna begin marketing the new Honda Fitta. Later called Jazz in Europe and (I believe) Fit in the rest of the world. They've even made brochures with the slogan "Small on the outside, big on the inside". Problem is that fitta in swedish means cunt. All scandinavians and many people in northern Europe knows that.
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I think you all can imagine how many funny "car tests" that were made from that... I was takin' the .... for a ride. It was a pleasant... etc.
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Den lör 23 nov. 2019 kl 03:13 skrev Stephen Offiler <
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I am sort of a Luddite. Well, at least, I'm the opposite of an "early adopter" consumer. Late adopter I guess?
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The idea of electric vehicles gives me range anxiety. That's a real thing, a concept explored by GM with their EV-1. Remember that electric car? They built 1000 and leased them so they could get them all back. It was a giant engineering experiment that I found brilliant. But a whole bunch of environmentalists who didn't grasp that concept hate GM to this day because they couldn't keep their EV-1. I guess they didn't read the fine print.
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Anyway, you can keep your electric cars (and now trucks) until they cost on par with a petrol-fueled equivalent, and recharge more rapidly than they do now, and charging stations are everywhere. I refuse to accept less convenience and less utility for higher cost.
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<p>That trip range does not take into account running the air conditioner, heater, defroster, Wipers and lights.... My wife & I bought some Dewalt electric heated coats on sale a couple of years ago. They were just barely more than the regular price of a battery and included a 12 and 115 volt charger and an adapter for USB to charge your phone. They sold out along the east Coast for the folks using them to commute and could not keep warm in the Chevy Volt and Toyota Prius when running lights heater defroster and wipers in snow while commuting to work.. <br> When that cost per mile is figured in does it take into consideration the battery life and the replacement cost. I talked to a Prius owner who had a 2 yr old one on the original battery and was looking to trade it in for a new one as the battery cost was a small fortune...<br> On another note, my Polaris Ranger 1000cc with EFI is the hardest thing on the place to start when the temp is under 45deg. After the dealer tuning it up and changing oil, it still is the hardest thing to start on the planet... I bought a couple of plugs this afternoon to make sure the dealer changed them....<br> I wish I had bought a Kubota Diesel with A/C. The more I deal with gasoline engines the more I want to convert them to propane or diesel. I'm thinking seriously of adapting my "new" skid steer to propane. It has a VG4d Wisconsin. I have an air cooled heat exchanger for up to 60hp. The tank would add counterbalance weight.<br> Cecil<br></p>
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LOL! Agreed. When I saw the "Tri-motor AWD" with sub 2.9 sec 0-60 and a claimed 500 mi range, I was thinking that's got to be a huge battery and expected Model-S level pricetag.
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My earlier comment assumes we have more than a few List members willing to voice an opinion on newfangled electric vehicle technology.
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What? Everyone needs a tractor hauling truck. Even if it’s too fancy for its own good, is super ugly, has terrible range, and cost too much. :-)
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Actually the cost was a tad less than I expected. I did notice the three engine/tow ratings were designed to approximate a half ton, three-quarter ton, and 1 ton trucks.
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Oh boy... here we go... and Spencer started it!
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Super ugly:
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<br> But I’m sure sometime in the next 4 to 6 years we will see one in Portland with an antique tractor behind it.
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