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    <p>Trichlopyr 4, Pronto, Remedy and Crossbow are selective
      herbicides.  Roundup kills everything.   I have found that the
      secret is to use enough water to soak the plants.  If the mix
      directions says to use 4 to 10 gallons of water per acre, I use
      the 10 gallon water rate.   IIRC, my 250 gallon sprayer covers 25
      acres at 4mph at 50 psi pressure.  It is usually best to use the
      greatest concentration rate of spray.  If the recommendations are
      for 2 to 6 pints per acre, use the 6 pints rate.  Those low rates
      might kill weeds for the first time, but the second time they
      might just grow faster!!!  I used to mix liquid fertilizer with
      2-4D and Cimarron Max for Thistle control.  It would brown the
      pasture until it rained then the grass came back like
      gangbusters.  I was in a hurry one time and did not mix the high
      ratio of spray with my fertilizer mix.   It seemed to just
      fertilize the weeds.  <br>
      Cecil<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/18/2019 8:54 PM, Moe Fretz wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">“Roundup” will</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 9:22
            PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Will 2-4,D kill woody
              plants, Cecil? What about poison ivy? My place is overrun
              with the stuff, has been for the last 70 years according
              to the farmer down the road, lived here his whole life.<br>
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              Mike M<br>
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              <div>On 11/18/2019 7:59 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:<br>
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                <p>Sounds like it has a 2-4,D deficiency.   Grazon P+D
                  or Remedy would e worth a try.<br>
                  Cecil<br>
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                <div>On 11/18/2019 6:15 PM, Brian VanDragt wrote:<br>
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                <blockquote type="cite"> Sounds like the Autumn Olive
                  that I have here in southwest Michigan. 40 years ago
                  my grandpa planted a row of them at his house for
                  decoration. Now it is my house and they are getting
                  out of control faster than I can keep them trimmed.
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                    <div>From: Mike M <a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com"
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                    <div>Date: 11/18/19 6:47 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
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                    <div>Subject: Re: [AT] Honey Locust </div>
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                  Anyone know what plant that that grows in Michigan
                  that has rose like<br>
                  thorns and light gray bark. The thorns will tear you
                  to shreds. I have a<br>
                  surprise for them this year, I bought a Stihl with one
                  of those circular<br>
                  saw blades on it. I have a lot to clear though.<br>
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                  Mike M<br>
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                  On 11/18/2019 4:17 PM, STEVE ALLEN wrote:<br>
                  > 4 inch thorns on your Locusts?  Ha!  Pikers! 
                  I've measured thorns in excess of 10 inches on our
                  place.  And they are made of iron, near as I can tell.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > I wage--and have taught my son to wage--a
                  continual war on those d@mned trees.  We find; they
                  come down and burn.  We pay a blood price for every
                  one, but I am convinced they are a central facet of
                  the original curse on Adam and his progeny.  I have
                  had too many holes in tractor tires, implement tires,
                  truck tires, and boots.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Sure, we have Osage Orange, blackberry,
                  multi-floral rose, and some other blasted vine that
                  would make effective barbed wire, but Locusts are my
                  especial bane, and I repay the compliment!<br>
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                  > The "original" Steve Allen<br>
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