<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Not surprised.  They are owned by Bain Capital and exist to make money for Wall Street.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>SO</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 8:42 PM John Hall <<a href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Not at all impressed with Apex. They own Jacobs drill chucks now.
    The quality is pathetic and their customer service is deplorable.
    Apparently they have acquired a few good "names" to profit from. I
    had 2 brand new chucks that were covered in burrs and grinding grit.
    They had me return them direct to them. Then they lost them and
    wanted me to do the UPS tracking. I did what I should have done in
    the first place, let MSC deal with them. Sad part is these guys are
    30 miles from me.<br>
    <br>
    John Hall<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/3/2019 5:57 PM, Stephen Offiler
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">No.  Stanley Black & Decker currently owns
          the Craftsman brand.  Apex Tool Group, a venture formed by the
          combination of Danaher and Cooper Tools in 2010(ish), does
          some of the manufacturing.  I know Apex pretty well; my
          company actually manufactures a few thing for them.</div>
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        <div>SO</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 5:42
            PM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I
                    believe Apex Tool now owns the Craftsman brand and
                    can sell it through channels other than Sears.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cecil Bearden<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:03 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Craftsman Tool Warranty</span></p>
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                <p>In the late 70's Sears had a commercial tire &
                  battery shop here in OKC.  We had bought batteries
                  from Sears for over 25 years.  We got a good price on
                  them from the commercial shop, better than the store. 
                  If we bought a tractor battery from the store and they
                  found out it goes in a tractor, they cut the warranty
                  in half.  The commercial shop let us keep the full
                  warranty.  A few years later they went out of business
                  and we jumped around all over trying to get a good
                  price on batteries.  I now buy them from a local shop
                  and they appear to be a good battery for the money.  I
                  probably go thru 30 batteries a year.  I get a lot of
                  tires from Your next tire in Nebraska, but they were
                  bought out by another tire shop and immediately raised
                  prices.  My local Coop has become a reliable source
                  for common sized tires.  The same thing has happened
                  to my local fuel supplier.  In business since the
                  early 50's, it was bought out by a large firm in
                  Amarillo.  They came in, cut 2 warehouse/delivery
                  guys, added a receptionist, replaced all the trucks,
                  put in a security system and got rid of the dogs that
                  ran the yard at night, and raised gas prices by
                  10cents and fuel by 20.  A barrel of oil went up
                  nearly $100.  The Coop looks to be my new fuel
                  supplier. 
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                <p>Cecil </p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 11/3/2019 2:35 PM, Indiana
                    Robinson wrote:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">My father had worked at
                        several things and started building a house for
                        his parents about 1940 on their farm. He had
                        been doing work with his carpenter uncle for
                        some time and was planning on starting into home
                        building.  He was quite good at it and the great
                        depression was easing up to where things looked
                        hopeful. He was adding tools both new and used.
                        Most of the new stuff he bought from the local
                        Sears & Roebuck store. Along came WW-II and
                        he started working testing aircraft engines 12
                        hours a day 7 days a week and as my
                        grandfather's heart began to fail my father took
                        over the farm. He was converting the farm from
                        draft horses to tractor power and like most
                        farmers of those times a lot of horse stuff got
                        modified to work behind  a tractor and slowly
                        replaced (largely after the war ended in 1945)
                        as stuff became more available. He was buying
                        his tires and batteries from Sears along with
                        additional tools. One of the early words in my
                        vocabulary was "Allstate"...  :-)  Another name
                        was "David Bradley". In the years after the war
                        he bought a new DB flare wagon bed, an ear corn
                        / grain elevator and in 1947 a new David Bradley
                        garden tractor with a sickle mower, a cultivator
                        and a DB axle to make a trailer for it. In 1952
                        he bought a new DB lime / fertilizer spreader.
                        During all of those years he kept buying tires,
                        batteries and even oil from the Sears store Most
                        of what he could buy there he did buy there.
                        Then came the fateful day about 1953 when he had
                        a Craftsman screwdriver snap in the middle of
                        the shaft... They had a new guy as manager at
                        the time and he seemed to think everything came
                        directly out of his pocket. He absolutely
                        refused to replace it... My father never entered
                        that store again... That managers stubbornness
                        cost them many years of steady income but he
                        probably never had any idea how much. He
                        probably bragged about how he saved the company
                        the price of a screwdriver. Our money just went
                        another direction, we still spent it, just not
                        there.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 11:52
                        PM <<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Here is my experience
                            with Craftsman tool warranty before they
                            sold out to Stanley.  20 years or so ago
                            when I was first starting antique tractor
                            work I wanted a good torque wrench so I
                            bought a Craftsman ½” drive for in the
                            neighborhood of $99.00 which had the
                            Craftsman Lifetime warranty.  I used is
                            sparing for several years not often but
                            worked just fine.  Then one day it just flat
                            broke. So I brought it to the local Sears
                            store for replacement. Their response
                            stunned me. Torque wrenched do not have a
                            lifetime warranty.  See it shows right there
                            on the shelf. I replied it had a Lifetime
                            warranty when I bought it. They would not
                            honor it.  So I went home and damned if I
                            didn’t find a 1999 Sears Tool Catalog that
                            showed the Lifetime warranty on the Torque
                            Wrench I had purchased. Went back the week
                            before Christmas with wrench and Catalog in
                            hand. There was a long line at the register
                            and when I finally got up to the register I
                            presented the wrench and the Tool catalog.
                            The clerk still wouldn’t honor the Lifetime
                            warranty.  I told the clerk that he better
                            call  a manager because I was going to stand
                            there until they honored their warranty. 
                            Eventually a manager arrived and he too
                            tried to renege on the warranty,  I held my
                            ground. Eventually the manger caved and I
                            also got him to hand write and sign on the
                            receipt that the replacement wrench had a
                            lifetime warranty including his name, title
                            and employee number. . Fortunately the
                            replacement has never failed so I have never
                            had to test the lifetime warranty on the
                            replacement. But… be very careful when
                            shopping Craftsman tools. Many of the
                            Craftsman tools no longer carry the Lifetime
                            warranty with some as low as 90 days.  </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I haven’t purchased very
                            many Craftsman tools  of late so I don’t
                            know what they are doing today relative to
                            warranties.  I suspect they haven’t gotten
                            any better. I know the Craftsman hand tools
                            of the last 20 years are nowhere close to as
                            good as those I purchased in the 50’s.  I
                            now tend to just buy specialty tools that
                            I’m not going to be using much and they
                            usually are purchased at Harbor freight.
                            They are usually good enough for a shade
                            tree mechanic and the closet store is 7.5
                            miles way. The closest Sears store in now
                            over 25 miles away.  The last few years I
                            would only end up in a Sears store to pick
                            up something I had purchased on-line at
                             less than half price they had on the
                            shelf.  Between that pricing idiocy and
                            being able to throw a grenade in the store
                            without hitting anyone it was obvious Sears
                            was in big trouble. Sears snatched defeat
                            from the jaws of victory.  They could have
                            owned the on-line marketplace just using
                            their catalog name list. A management lesson
                            in incompetency. </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Becker<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 28, 2019
                                11:27 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                                Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Craftsman Tool
                                Warranty</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I had thought
                                    about that, but decided the tool was
                                    probably made out of material I
                                    wouldn’t be able to drill through.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I recently
                                    acquired another one of these
                                    handles.  It was in a tool box I
                                    bought at an auction.  It has the
                                    hole, so my round bar became usable
                                    again.  Interesting thing about the
                                    newly acquired one, it is evidently
                                    even older than the one I turned
                                    in.  The catalog number is not
                                    permanently marked on the tool, as
                                    has been Craftsman practice for a
                                    long time.  The hole in the handle
                                    goes the opposite way from what it
                                    did in the handle I turned in.  I
                                    have two other 1/2 inch breaker
                                    bars, other brands.  They both are
                                    cross drilled.  One of them has a
                                    hole in the end so it can be used as
                                    an extension.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Jim Becker</span></p>
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                          Francis Robinson<br>
                          aka "farmer"<br>
                          Central Indiana USA<br>
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