<div dir="ltr">What appears to be happening is a shift in the approach to engineering education.  To use James' example at UMass Lowell there is no BSME degree offered at all.  They list AS and BS in ME Technology only.  Then they list ME degrees at the MS and PhD levels.  I can't prove it but suspect there could be an underlying move to keep students paying tuition for 5-6 years instead of 4.<div><br></div><div>SO</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 9:40 AM James Peck <<a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology accredits the BS Electronic Technology program at UMass Lowell.<br>
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[James Peck] University of Massachusetts at Lowell? Stephen can drive over and verify this in person.<br>
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<a href="https://gps.uml.edu/degrees/undergrad/online-bachelors-mechanical-engineering-degree.cfm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gps.uml.edu/degrees/undergrad/online-bachelors-mechanical-engineering-degree.cfm</a><br>
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[James Peck] <a href="https://harrisburg.psu.edu/science-engineering-technology/me-met/bachelor-science-mechanical-engineering-technology" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://harrisburg.psu.edu/science-engineering-technology/me-met/bachelor-science-mechanical-engineering-technology</a><br>
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[Stephen Offiler] My only point, which is not addressed in either of the links provided, is that engineering technology is a 2-year program while engineering (to the Bachelor's level) is a 4-year program.  To be perfectly clear, I mention this in direct rebuttal to James' previous comment which implied engineering technology degrees are 4 years.  That said, my knowledge and experience is in the mechanical engineering field.  Perhaps there are other branches (Aerospace?  Chemical?  Nuclear?) where the techs have 4 year degrees.<br>
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[ James Peck] Neither a 2 nor a 4 year degree in liberal arts or basket weaving would gain you admission to the third year of a 2+2 engineering technology program.<br>
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<a href="https://www.communitycollegereview.com/blog/2-2-programs-going-strong-at-community-colleges-nationwide" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.communitycollegereview.com/blog/2-2-programs-going-strong-at-community-colleges-nationwide</a><br>
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I have known BSME graduate engineers who took 2 year Electronic Technology programs.<br>
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[Stephen Offiler]  Four-year engineering technology programs?  It's been a while for me (BSME '84) but the technology programs I am most familiar with are two-year.  I suppose, if you spend a couple years in Liberal Arts and Basket Weaving, then you buckle down for the next two, it would be a four-year program.<br>
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[James] <snip> The public was not aware back then of the process of getting an associate degree that qualifies you to be an entry level mechanic and then getting a four year degree in Engineering Technology by taking the 3rd and 4th years. I was not at the time or I would have done so. <snip><br>
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