<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I am pretty sure the orchard fenders were not even standard on the AO(and also an option for the AR at least early on), so I don’t believe it was fenders.<div><br></div><div>The brakes others mentioned I didn’t even recall as different but sounds likely. I was thinking exhaust but that seems too inconsequential and so easily modified no one would use that for definitive ID anyways.</div><div><br></div><div>Inquiring minds want to know! I’m holding off Googling until I hear the answer.</div><div><br></div><div>When I was buying a lot of John Deere tractors for a collector I worked for, me and the other guy doing the buying buying could - between the two of us - tell you 95% of everything you ever needed to know about John Deere tractors and their subtle differences, idiosyncrasies and history. Now I doubt I remember even half of it. Funny how it just slips away when you stop using it.</div><div><br></div><div>Spencer<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:58 AM, deanvp@att.net wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Interesting tractor which was made for a very short period of time. Since we are seeing who can pee the farthest, what was a very desirable standard feature on the 1936 JD AO that was also available on the 1936 AR as an option which sometimes makes them hard to identify correctly ? <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Moe Fretz<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Tractor related?????????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Some how we've gone from Antique Tractors.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To discussing (bragging) about all<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">the engineering courses we've taken or should have.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To offshore manufacturing quality.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">To the help line accents.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">And now we are into computer IT stuff we know about.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Could have, would have installed. up grading, what have you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">Not much tractor related stuff in the last few days.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">My 1936 John Deere AO qualifies as an antique.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">It does have any software needing to be upgraded.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">No help line available or needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">And you don't need to be an engineer to figure how it works.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>$-------&<br>Moe F<span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#A64D79">.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br>Ontario, Canada<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:55 AM ustonThomas Mehrkam <<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">In the 70s we all had to take corporate value engineering classes. "How to engineer all the value out." Some people did not have enough sense it ignore the BS.<o:p></o:p></p><div id="gmail-m_8200918532328447902ymail_android_signature"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#6D00F6">On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 7:08 AM, Thomas Mehrkam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto;color:#6D00F6"><<a href="mailto:tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">tmehrkam@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style="border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Windows 10 convinced me it was time to retire.<br><br>I developed software mainly for Unix and Linux with some Vax VMS?? DX10 <br>one of T.Is systems and many real time OS for Motorola 68000, TI 9900, <br>Power PC etc.?? Much of the early work in machine language. With some <br>Windoze thrown in. XP and 7 was ok.?? Almost great compared to XP.<br><br>XP convinced me it was time to retire. The worse of Microsoft's crap <br>OS's. Even worse than writing assembly and Cobal for Univac 1108 <br>systems. :-{?? We built a Seismic Acquisition system that could record <br>data from 40,000 stations at a 2MS sample rate.?? XP brought that to a <br>stand still. The network stack sucked we went down to maybe 5,000 <br>stations. :-{<br><br><br>On 10/21/2019 11:45 AM, Phil Auten wrote:<br>> I usually need to write stuff like that down, and I am/was a <br>> computer/IT tech. Now, where'd I put my pencil?<br>><br>> I've been out of the computer biz,except for fixing my own, since 2011 <br>> and I am amazed how much it has changed since then. I have two working <br>> computers, both laptops. The one I am on now is the newest and it is <br>> running Vista (yuck). The other one is about a 2006 model and runs XP. <br>> That one I need to redo and load Linux so it will keep up.<br>><br>> Phil in TX<br>><br>><br>> On 10/20/2019 11:39 PM, <a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net" target="_blank">deanvp@att.net</a> wrote:<br>>> James,<br>>><br>>> ?? Every time I go shopping at the local Costco I marvel at how many<br>>> foreigners we have here in WA?? I'm sure driven by the High Tech <br>>> industries<br>>> like Microsoft and Amazon. It used to be the Oriental's that were<br>>> predominate. Now it seems to be East Indians. I'm sure much of our <br>>> technical<br>>> knowledge is eventually ending up back in India.?? However, that <br>>> doesn't seem<br>>> to apply to those who work in the technical support groups we call <br>>> for help.<br>>> I have completely given up on calling any kind of help line for <br>>> anything.<br>>> First because they really don't know very much and secondly their accent<br>>> combined with my loss of hearing makes understanding them almost <br>>> impossible.<br>>> I will work Google search until I find the answer I'm looking for. I <br>>> just<br>>> went through that recently.?? Some time in the past I changed from double<br>>> click to single click file opening on my mouse. Long enough ago I had<br>>> forgotten how I did it.?? For me the obvious place to look was on the <br>>> setup<br>>> of the mouse. Wrong.?? I put up with the change far too long and <br>>> finally I<br>>> had enough.?? But couldn't remember how to fix it. Google came to the <br>>> rescue.<br>>> In Win 10. one has to get into File Explorer, view, options, change <br>>> options<br>>> to get to that setting.?? How in the hell I found that the first time is<br>>> beyond me?? But all is now cool again.???? Simple but frustrating.<br>>><br>>> Dean VP<br>>> Snohomish, WA 98290<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>> On Behalf Of James Peck<br>>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:18 AM<br>>> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <br>>> <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [AT] 1970's farm equipment<br>>><br>>> I worked for a GM division a little in the late sixties. The focus <br>>> then was<br>>> on making all components so they ended their life at 10 years. The items<br>>> that lasted longer were made too well.<br>>><br>>> [Henry Miller] The 1970s when efficiency experts ruled every thing <br>>> with the<br>>> bean counters. Cut cost and quality were number one. The auto world <br>>> had it<br>>> worse than most because they suddenly had to meet emissions rules <br>>> that they<br>>> didn't really know how to do and so rube Goldberg contraptions were <br>>> designed<br>>> to that standard with predictable results.<br>>><br>>> Modern just in time is often very inefficient, but the cost savings<br>>> elsewhere make it vastly more cost effective. Consumers have also <br>>> caught on<br>>> to the idea that quality is sometimes worth paying for. Where the above<br>>> doesn't apply is a race to the bottom that we can't win. China, like <br>>> Taiwan<br>>> and Japan before them is starting to drop out of the game. Africa is<br>>> probably next in my opinion: Vietnam and Pakistan play a bit but they <br>>> are<br>>> not large enough and to beat China and they are not far behind China <br>>> into<br>>> getting out of that hole. India could win for a while, but they have <br>>> a lot<br>>> of smart people who know how to make quality (training on the job in <br>>> the US<br>>> or Europe) and would rather skip the cheap junk period.<br>>><br>>> .<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AT mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div id="gmail-m_8200918532328447902yqtfd22869"><p class="MsoNormal"><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AT mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AT mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>AT mailing list</span><br><span>AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</span><br><span>http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>