<div dir="ltr">I don't buy that, Cecil. I don't think the head shrinks regardless of what the service bulletin said. I think it expands when overheated, putting a permanent stretch in the head bolts, resulting in insufficient torque when it cools down. Retorque it, then overheat it again, and they stretch again, and again.<div><br></div><div>Steve O.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:27 AM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Back in the early 70's when I was working at the tractor shop, we
were the Satoh tractor dealer. The tractor had an aluminum head
on a cast iron block w/ steel studs. we sold it to a couple of
sisters who had been suing a Cub Farmall with a belly mower. The
Satoh would get grass built up in the radiator and overheat.
When it cooled down, the head would have to be re-torqued. The
first couple of times we replaced the gasket. The last 2 times we
just re-torqued the bolts. Later we got a service bulletin that
stated the head would shrink when it overheated. Maybe that is
the reason the rocker arm bracket gets loose on the Kawasaki.. <br>
</p>
<p>In our case the sisters filed a lawsuit and we had to go find
another Cub Farmall to replace the one they traded in. The boss
convinced the purchaser of the used Cub Farmall to trade for the
Satoh that overheated and that owner was very happy as he did not
mow Bermuda grass. <br>
</p>
<p>Cecil<br>
</p>
<div>On 9/18/2019 7:28 AM, Jim Becker wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>Henry, do you also find the rocker arm bracket bolt loose
when the push rods get bent? As Steve pointed out, it seems
unlikely that sticky valves would result in 2 bent push rods
at/near the same time. My knowledge of the Kawasaki V-twin
consists of what I read in this thread. But I wonder if the
failure mode is overheating allowing the rocker arm bracket
to get loose, allowing the push rods to get loose and bend.
Maybe the fix is to add a bend-over tab type retainer to the
bolt.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Jim Becker</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="soffiler@gmail.com">Stephen
Offiler</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:44 AM</div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Henry, is yours is a Kawasaki V-twin? Are
you just replacing the bent pushrods? Based on the
Internet chatter I've read on the lawn forums, the root
cause is sticky valves, and the permanent solution is a
new head (comes complete with valve guides and seats) and
new valves. That's what I'm doing right now, reusing only
the valve springs, keepers, and rocker arms. In my case,
it wasn't even a question, because my head gasket was
blown, so that head is certainly warped too.
<div> </div>
<div>These engines are sensitive to proper cooling
airflow. Again with the lawn forums, seems I'm far from
the only one who has had an overheat without realizing
it. Mostly it's grass clippings that cause the problem
although mine was mouse nest. People talk about
removing the shrouds every X hours to clean the fins.
Actually a really easy job. The bolt holes in the main
shroud are slots, you just loosen the fasteners and pull
it straight off.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>SO</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at
9:03 PM Henry Miller <<a>hank@millerfarm.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div style="font-family:arial">I've had the bent
pushrod 3 times now in mine, it has always been
both, though I too can't figure out why both should
go at the same time. </div>
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<div>
Henry Miller<br>
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<div>
<a>hank@millerfarm.com</a><br>
</div>
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</div>
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<div>On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, at 8:27 AM, Stephen Offiler
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote id="gmail-m_6534299526311272191gmail-m_-2443874424762000347qt" type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:arial">Mine is a long
story. All my stories are long ;-)<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Gravely zero-turn with 24HP Kawasaki V-twin.
I keep it maintained by the book, and use it
pretty hard but not abused. It ends up being
stored in places where mice are just going to be
present, no way to eradicate them (and yes there
are cats around). Quite a while ago, could have
been early '18 or back even further in '17, I
was checking the air filter (which I do roughly
every 3-4 mows) and found it had a huge hole
chewed in it. That means I probably ran the
machine unfiltered a couple times. Suspicious
and worried, I pulled the shrouds, and found the
#1 cylinder fins just packed with slow-roasted
mouse-nest. Most likely, I ran it a couple
times with impaired cooling on that cylinder,
and it overheated. I cleaned it all out and
went back to mowing. It ran well, plenty of
power, but I did notice an increase in oil
consumption. I wondered if that was the
overheating, or the ingestion of unfiltered
dusty air. I didn't really feel like tearing it
down so I just kept running it. And, with an
eye on oil level, it did fine for 1-2 years,
until just recently. It coughed and started
running poorly. Drove it into the shop and
found #1 was barely warm; it was only running on
#2. Tore into #1 and found both rods bent plus
the bolt holding the "Rocker arm bracket" was
very loose. What the internet tells me is that
overheat leads to sticky valves and when a valve
sticks the pushrod gets out of place and
bends. That sounds very plausible but I'm
still not sure how I bent BOTH of them and how
that loose rocker bracket happened. Oh and the
head gasket is blown on that side, which
probably explains the increased oil
consumption. I am replacing the whole head,
pushrods, valves, valve seals, gaskets. Cost
about $300 in parts online. Waiting right now
for parts to arrive and the grass is still
growing.<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>SO<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:46 AM Cecil
Bearden <<a>crbearden@copper.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div style="font-family:arial">The only time
I bent a push rod was when I over revved the
engine. It was on a 292 Ford V-8 in an old
57 4wd F100. I got stuck and had to give it
the gas to get out. I straightened the rod
out on an anvil and it i still running...<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">Cecil<br>
</div>
<div>On
9/17/2019 6:03 AM, Henry Miller wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-family:arial">My zero turn
is in the shop with the same bent pushrods
issue. Second time this summer. I'm
thinking about a different engine... I
have the replacement rods, but I found a
small spring by the valves that doesn't
come from anywhere obvious. I'll have to
tear into it more now to see what else is
wrong.<br>
</div>
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<div>
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<div>
<a>hank@millerfarm.com</a><br>
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<div>On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 3:51 PM,
Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:arial">Mike M
- that just happened to me
yesterday! I've got a Gravely
zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that
bent a pushrod at 306 hours (known
issue, easy-ish fix). It is sitting
right now waiting for parts to
arrive. Yesterday, I was walking
past and happened to look down and
saw 600 and something hours on the
meter, which was odd but didn't
quite register until it clicked over
another tenth digit while I was
watching. That happens once every 6
minutes, so I got real lucky to see
it. I guess the key got bumped
somehow during disassembly Now, all
the service reminders are saying
"CHG NOW". I'm doing engine oil and
air filter now anyway, but losing
the service reminder on the hydro
units bugs me. It added 337 hours
sitting still (divide by 24 to see
how long I've been waiting for
parts, and therefore how long the
grass is getting!). Since I'm not
likely to ever sell this machine, I
don't really care that much about
the fake hours.<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:arial">Steve
O.<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at
4:09 PM Mike M <<a>meulenms@gmx.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div style="font-family:arial">I
have a Scag zero turn that I
bought new, I put about 350
hours on it over the course of
several years. When I parked it
this last fall, I accidentally
left the key on, so when I went
to start it this Spring I had
3500 hours on it. Fortunately my
daughter works at the dealer so
I was able to buy a new one. <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial">Mike
M<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div>On
9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-family:arial">New
tractors have hours embedded
in the computer. Replacement
computers are easily spotted
by the metadata in the
computer. So for
approximately the last 10-15
years we have a reliable
indicator of usage or computer
replacement/tampering on most
models. <br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>However, being able to
obtain the equipment and
software necessary to read the
computer is still a sticking
point and at the heart of the
right to repair lawsuits going
around. These lawsuits are
extending to other equipment
and devices. So farmers were
actually at the forefront of
this movement. <br>
</div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial">Ok fine print for the
following:<br>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div><span>This
is not a political
statement. </span>I
absolutely positively never
endorse any presidential
candidate publicly on this
list nor should the following
be construed as support for
the candidates mentioned. <span>I only add the following
statements and link as a way
to let y’all know that our
frustrations with equipment
are being heard by some. Ok
enough with the fine print:</span><br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Elizabeth Warren added
support for the right to
repair movement as one of her
written policy planks - T<span>o my knowledge the only
one but the movement should
grow to the point candidates
probably won’t be able to
ignore it. </span>Here’s
Warren’s policy paper on
agriculture in general but in
that she specifically mentions
right to repair:<br>
</div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial"><a href="https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067</a><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am watching the right to
repair movement closely.<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Spencer<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div id="gmail-m_6534299526311272191gmail-m_-2443874424762000347qt-gmail-m_5249227966473923076qt-gmail-m_7420150113575157276AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my
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<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial">On Sep 16, 2019, at
10:29 AM, Al Jones <<a>farmallsupera1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>No. If your
tachometer goes bad,
you get a new one with
0000.0 hours. <br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Al<br>
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep
15, 2019 at 11:52 PM
Cecil Bearden <<a>crbearden@copper.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote style="padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div style="font-family:arial">Probably not,
and the mileage on
the title of an auto
or truck is <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">nothing that
can be relied
on... I used to be
able to tell by the
wear <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">on
floorboards, rust,
paint scratches etc
if a trucks mileage
was <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">right.
Tractors are a
different animal.
Usually just change
the tires <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">and if
repainted, change
the hoses and belts,
new seat and cab
interior <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">and it is a
new tractor.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial">Cecil<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial"> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial">On 9/15/2019
8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">> Tractors
are not titled.
Automobiles and
trucks are. When you
sell an auto, you
record the mileage
at time of sale and
your signature. Is
it even illegal to
alter the hour meter
on a tractor?<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">><br>
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On Behalf Of Cecil
Bearden<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial">> Sent:
Saturday, September
14, 2019 7:33 PM<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial">> To: <a>at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial">> Subject:
Re: [AT] Statistics
In Tractor
Manufacturing Was
Bicycle Program<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">> The New
Holland Money Pit is
what it is because
somewhere in its
history the hour
meter was turned
back. New tires
were installed and
it was made to look
like a 5 yr old
tractor with about
200 hrs per year.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">> Cecil<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">> On
9/14/2019 10:26 AM,
James Peck wrote:<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>> Some
years ago I did
participate in an
academic Statistical
Quality Control
course. Much of the
course involved the
Weibull
Distribution. If I
remember correctly,
the Weibull Curve
predicted the
lifespan of a
manufactured
assembly such as a
tractor. It appears
to be a gift from
the mathematicians.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution</a><br>
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<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>> The
same distribution
probably predicts
that Cecil’s New
Holland money pit
will continue to be
so and will suffer
an early demise.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>>
[Stephen Offiler] I
never took a whole
semester of
Statistics.
Instead, we had a
course called
Engineering
Experimentation,
which was heavy on
experiment design
and statistical data
analysis. That gave
me a very good
appreciation for the
practical
application of
statistics. Out in
the real world,
on-the-job training
programs in quality
control principles
in manufacturing
(Deming, Juran, Lean
Six Sigma) continued
to solidify the
practical
applications.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>>
[Cecil Bearden]
Steve: I nearly
flunked statistics I
only passed because
I was a graduating
senior. However, I
did flunk Rocks
& Clods 2124 and
had to find another
4 hours to
graduate. Then 35
years later I retire
as a Geotechnical
engineer designing
foundations. !!!<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>>
[Stephen Offiler]
I'm not sure if that
is an interesting
statistic, or simply
predictable
statistically. All
you just said is
that a bell-curve
distribution for
2-year degrees
overlaps a
bell-curve
distribution for
4-year degrees.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial">>> [
James Peck] The
interesting
statistic is that
some technical 2
year programs have
higher starting
incomes than many 4
year degree
programs. People who
complete such a
program can later
take a 2+2 program
to get a four year
degree if they
choose.<br>
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