<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">My zero turn is in the shop with the same bent pushrods issue. Second time this summer. I'm thinking about a different engine... I have the replacement rods, but I found a small spring by the valves that doesn't come from anywhere obvious. I'll have to tear into it more now to see what else is wrong.</div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div id="sig11221025"><div class="signature">-- <br></div><div class="signature"> Henry Miller<br></div><div class="signature"> hank@millerfarm.com<br></div><div class="signature"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Arial;">Mike M - that just happened to me yesterday! I've got a Gravely zero-turn with Kawasaki V-twin that bent a pushrod at 306 hours (known issue, easy-ish fix). It is sitting right now waiting for parts to arrive. Yesterday, I was walking past and happened to look down and saw 600 and something hours on the meter, which was odd but didn't quite register until it clicked over another tenth digit while I was watching. That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got real lucky to see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow during disassembly Now, all the service reminders are saying "CHG NOW". I'm doing engine oil and air filter now anyway, but losing the service reminder on the hydro units bugs me. It added 337 hours sitting still (divide by 24 to see how long I've been waiting for parts, and therefore how long the grass is getting!). Since I'm not likely to ever sell this machine, I don't really care that much about the fake hours.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Steve O.<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:09 PM Mike M <<a href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div style="font-family:Arial;">I have a Scag zero turn that I bought new, I put about 350 hours on
it over the course of several years. When I parked it this last
fall, I accidentally left the key on, so when I went to start it
this Spring I had 3500 hours on it. Fortunately my daughter works at
the dealer so I was able to buy a new one. <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> Mike M<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div><div class="qt-gmail-m_7420150113575157276moz-cite-prefix">On 9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Arial;">New tractors have hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the computer. So
for approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable
indicator of usage or computer replacement/tampering on most
models. <br></div><div><br></div><div>However, being able to obtain the equipment and software
necessary to read the computer is still a sticking point and at
the heart of the right to repair lawsuits going around. These
lawsuits are extending to other equipment and devices. So
farmers were actually at the forefront of this movement. <br></div><div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Ok fine print for the following:<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)" class="highlight">This
is not a political statement. </span>I absolutely positively
never endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this list
nor should the following be construed as support for the
candidates mentioned. <span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)" class="highlight">I only add the following statements and link as
a way to let y’all know that our frustrations with equipment
are being heard by some. Ok enough with the fine print:</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to repair
movement as one of her written policy planks - T<span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)" class="highlight">o my
knowledge the only one but the movement should grow to the
point candidates probably won’t be able to ignore it. </span>Here’s
Warren’s policy paper on agriculture in general but in that she
specifically mentions right to repair:<br></div><div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><a href="https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067">https://medium.com/@teamwarren/leveling-the-playing-field-for-americas-family-farmers-823d1994f067</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div></div><div><br></div><div>I am watching the right to repair movement closely.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Spencer<br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="qt-gmail-m_7420150113575157276AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone<br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <<a href="mailto:farmallsupera1@gmail.com">farmallsupera1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get a new one
with 0000.0 hours. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Al<br></div></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at
11:52 PM Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Arial;">Probably
not, and the mileage on the title of an auto or truck is <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> nothing that can be relied on... I used to be able to
tell by the wear <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a trucks
mileage was <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> right. Tractors are a different animal. Usually just
change the tires <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> and if repainted, change the hoses and belts, new seat
and cab interior <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> and it is a new tractor.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> Cecil<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and trucks
are. When you sell an auto, you record the mileage at
time of sale and your signature. Is it even illegal to
alter the hour meter on a tractor?<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > -----Original Message-----<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > From: AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33 PM<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > To: <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because
somewhere in its history the hour meter was turned
back. New tires were installed and it was made to look
like a 5 yr old tractor with about 200 hrs per year.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > Cecil<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> ><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> Some years ago I did participate in an academic
Statistical Quality Control course. Much of the course
involved the Weibull Distribution. If I remember
correctly, the Weibull Curve predicted the lifespan of a
manufactured assembly such as a tractor. It appears to
be a gift from the mathematicians.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> <a rel="noreferrer" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> The same distribution probably predicts that
Cecil’s New Holland money pit will continue to be so and
will suffer an early demise.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole semester
of Statistics. Instead, we had a course called
Engineering Experimentation, which was heavy on
experiment design and statistical data analysis. That
gave me a very good appreciation for the practical
application of statistics. Out in the real world,
on-the-job training programs in quality control
principles in manufacturing (Deming, Juran, Lean Six
Sigma) continued to solidify the practical applications.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked
statistics I only passed because I was a graduating
senior. However, I did flunk Rocks & Clods 2124 and
had to find another 4 hours to graduate. Then 35 years
later I retire as a Geotechnical engineer designing
foundations. !!!<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is an
interesting statistic, or simply predictable
statistically. All you just said is that a bell-curve
distribution for 2-year degrees overlaps a bell-curve
distribution for 4-year degrees.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> [ James Peck] The interesting statistic is that
some technical 2 year programs have higher starting
incomes than many 4 year degree programs. People who
complete such a program can later take a 2+2 program to
get a four year degree if they choose.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> AT mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > AT mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > AT mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> > <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> AT mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Arial;"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <span>AT mailing list</span><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <span><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a></span><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"> <span><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a></span><br></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><pre class="qt-gmail-m_7420150113575157276moz-quote-pre">_______________________________________________
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