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<p>The only time I bent a push rod was when I over revved the
engine. It was on a 292 Ford V-8 in an old 57 4wd F100. I got
stuck and had to give it the gas to get out. I straightened the
rod out on an anvil and it i still running...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/17/2019 6:03 AM, Henry Miller
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">My zero turn is in the shop with
the same bent pushrods issue. Second time this summer. I'm
thinking about a different engine... I have the replacement
rods, but I found a small spring by the valves that doesn't come
from anywhere obvious. I'll have to tear into it more now to see
what else is wrong.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Mike M - that just happened
to me yesterday! I've got a Gravely zero-turn with
Kawasaki V-twin that bent a pushrod at 306 hours (known
issue, easy-ish fix). It is sitting right now waiting for
parts to arrive. Yesterday, I was walking past and
happened to look down and saw 600 and something hours on
the meter, which was odd but didn't quite register until
it clicked over another tenth digit while I was watching.
That happens once every 6 minutes, so I got real lucky to
see it. I guess the key got bumped somehow during
disassembly Now, all the service reminders are saying
"CHG NOW". I'm doing engine oil and air filter now
anyway, but losing the service reminder on the hydro units
bugs me. It added 337 hours sitting still (divide by 24
to see how long I've been waiting for parts, and therefore
how long the grass is getting!). Since I'm not likely to
ever sell this machine, I don't really care that much
about the fake hours.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">I have a Scag zero turn
that I bought new, I put about 350 hours on it over
the course of several years. When I parked it this
last fall, I accidentally left the key on, so when I
went to start it this Spring I had 3500 hours on it.
Fortunately my daughter works at the dealer so I was
able to buy a new one. <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">New tractors have
hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the
computer. So for approximately the last 10-15
years we have a reliable indicator of usage or
computer replacement/tampering on most models. <br>
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<div>However, being able to obtain the equipment and
software necessary to read the computer is still a
sticking point and at the heart of the right to
repair lawsuits going around. These lawsuits are
extending to other equipment and devices. So farmers
were actually at the forefront of this movement. <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Ok fine print for
the following:<br>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255,
0)" class="highlight">This is not a political
statement. </span>I absolutely positively never
endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this
list nor should the following be construed as
support for the candidates mentioned. <span
style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)"
class="highlight">I only add the following
statements and link as a way to let y’all know
that our frustrations with equipment are being
heard by some. Ok enough with the fine print:</span><br>
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<div>Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to
repair movement as one of her written policy planks
- T<span style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255,
0)" class="highlight">o my knowledge the only one
but the movement should grow to the point
candidates probably won’t be able to ignore it. </span>Here’s
Warren’s policy paper on agriculture in general but
in that she specifically mentions right to repair:<br>
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<div>I am watching the right to repair movement
closely.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">On Sep 16, 2019,
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<div>No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get
a new one with 0000.0 hours. <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Probably
not, and the mileage on the title of an
auto or truck is <br>
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that can be relied on... I used to be
able to tell by the wear <br>
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floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if
a trucks mileage was <br>
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Tractors are a different animal. Usually
just change the tires <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"> and if
repainted, change the hoses and belts, new
seat and cab interior <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"> and it is a
new tractor.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"> On
9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br>
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Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and
trucks are. When you sell an auto, you
record the mileage at time of sale and
your signature. Is it even illegal to
alter the hour meter on a tractor?<br>
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Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"> > The
New Holland Money Pit is what it is
because somewhere in its history the hour
meter was turned back. New tires were
installed and it was made to look like a 5
yr old tractor with about 200 hrs per
year.<br>
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9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:<br>
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Some years ago I did participate in an
academic Statistical Quality Control
course. Much of the course involved the
Weibull Distribution. If I remember
correctly, the Weibull Curve predicted the
lifespan of a manufactured assembly such
as a tractor. It appears to be a gift
from the mathematicians.<br>
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The same distribution probably predicts
that Cecil’s New Holland money pit will
continue to be so and will suffer an early
demise.<br>
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[Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole
semester of Statistics. Instead, we had a
course called Engineering Experimentation,
which was heavy on experiment design and
statistical data analysis. That gave me a
very good appreciation for the practical
application of statistics. Out in the
real world, on-the-job training programs
in quality control principles in
manufacturing (Deming, Juran, Lean Six
Sigma) continued to solidify the practical
applications.<br>
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[Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked
statistics I only passed because I was a
graduating senior. However, I did flunk
Rocks & Clods 2124 and had to find
another 4 hours to graduate. Then 35
years later I retire as a Geotechnical
engineer designing foundations. !!!<br>
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[Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is
an interesting statistic, or simply
predictable statistically. All you just
said is that a bell-curve distribution for
2-year degrees overlaps a bell-curve
distribution for 4-year degrees.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;"> >> [
James Peck] The interesting statistic is
that some technical 2 year programs have
higher starting incomes than many 4 year
degree programs. People who complete such
a program can later take a 2+2 program to
get a four year degree if they choose.<br>
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