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<div> <font size="2">I don't think my posts make it.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Gary</font></div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Mike M <meulenms@gmx.com><br>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
Sent: Sun, Sep 15, 2019 1:36 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [AT] Agricultural Equipment Diagnostic Technicians<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I see that my reply went to the list, but I had to manually change your<br clear="none">copper.net address to the ATIS address, this is a new problem. I suspect<br clear="none">it's a Thunderbird issue.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Mike M<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 9/15/2019 4:17 PM, Cecil Bearden wrote:<br clear="none">> I got it..<br clear="none">> Cecil<br clear="none">> Mike, you have reiterated what I said a few weeks back. The schools<br clear="none">> do not teach life skills anymore. A couple of counties over East a<br clear="none">> school district had a Mom whose kids wanted a 4H club. They convinced<br clear="none">> the Superintendent to allow them to have a 4H club. The first <br clear="none">> meeting to determine interest they expected maybe 8 to 10 kids. They<br clear="none">> had 35. Now the club has 55 regular members. $H is not just<br clear="none">> agriculture, and raising calves or sheep, it teaches those kids life<br clear="none">> skills in a group situation.. After raising sheep in addition to<br clear="none">> cattle for the last 20 years, I firmly believe if a kid can raise a<br clear="none">> lamb to show in a ring, they can work with nearly anyone! I also<br clear="none">> believe if all kids had to care for a couple of bottle baby lambs and<br clear="none">> raise them, they would be much better parents later on...<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> The old high school shop classes both wood and metal and auto gave the<br clear="none">> students a chance to see if they wanted to do something besides sit<br clear="none">> behind a desk. I was on a construction site with carpenters from as<br clear="none">> soon as I was out of diapers until I started school. Then in the<br clear="none">> summers I was back on the site. My Uncle was an ex Seabee and a<br clear="none">> carpenter. My Dad worked as a carpenter while he went to college<br clear="none">> after I was born and my mother worked. When I was 13, I started<br clear="none">> working in a tractor shop about a mile away from home. I rode my Bike<br clear="none">> there. I was in auto shop in high school. If my folks had not<br clear="none">> threatened to throw me out, I would have gone through diesel school at<br clear="none">> OSU tech in Okmulgee, and majored in diesel injection. I really<br clear="none">> believe I would have had my own shop... I still remember my mothers<br clear="none">> words "You just want to be an old grease monkey!"<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Just my $0.02<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Cecil<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On 9/15/2019 2:58 PM, Mike M wrote:<br clear="none">>> Yes James, usually 50-55 hours. There are weeks he will put in 80, but<br clear="none">>> it's his choice. My main point is the trades have been neglected in high<br clear="none">>> schools that push everyone towards college, when some are kids are<br clear="none">>> better suited to learning by watching and helping. He's done well<br clear="none">>> enough, that he can comfortably retire at 50.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Mike M<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> PS - something has changed and my replies are only going to the original<br clear="none">>> poster.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On 9/15/2019 9:05 AM, James Peck wrote:<br clear="none">>>> He is working some overtime.<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">>>> From: Mike M <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:meulenms@gmx.com">meulenms@gmx.com</a>><br clear="none">>>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 4:34 PM<br clear="none">>>> To: James Peck <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>><br clear="none">>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Agricultural Equipment Diagnostic Technicians<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> A good friend of mine went through high school, then into an<br clear="none">>>> apprenticeship program for pipe fitting and HVAC, he's now an<br clear="none">>>> Unlimited Tonnage Journeyman pipe fitter and makes well into the 6<br clear="none">>>> figures without having to take any of the BS college courses.<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> Mike M<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> On 9/14/2019 9:35 AM, James Peck wrote:<br clear="none">>>>> No mention of tractor mechanics, but this report seconds Cecil's<br clear="none">>>>> opinion.<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://opportunityamericaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/OA_App">https://opportunityamericaonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/OA_App</a><br clear="none">>>>> renticeshipReport_2019.pdf<br clear="none">>>>><br clear="none">>>>> [cecil] <snip> Personally I think the apprenticeship programs are the<br clear="none">>>>> way to go. <snip> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>>>> AT mailing list<br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br clear="none">>>>> <a shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> ---<br clear="none">>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a>
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