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Spencer, I was watching a show the other night about this very
thing. Farmers are already finding ways around it via pirated
software and other hacks, that allow them into the system. My
personal opinion is that the computerization has gone too far. Let
me give you an example: Here in Michigan we had a very wet spring,
in certain areas there was literally a 2- 3 day window to work your
land, and plant your crop. Imagine you own one of these highly
computerized tractors and there is a computerized glitch, there is
literally no time to truck it to the dealer, have them fix it and
truck it back, by then the window has closed, and that's assuming
the manufacturer has found the bug and written a patch code to fix
the issue.<br>
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Mike M<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/16/2019 2:42 PM, Spencer Yost
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New tractors have hours embedded in the computer. Replacement
computers are easily spotted by the metadata in the computer. So
for approximately the last 10-15 years we have a reliable
indicator of usage or computer replacement/tampering on most
models.
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<div>However, being able to obtain the equipment and software
necessary to read the computer is still a sticking point and at
the heart of the right to repair lawsuits going around. These
lawsuits are extending to other equipment and devices. So
farmers were actually at the forefront of this movement. </div>
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Ok fine print for the following:</div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">This
is not a political statement. </span>I absolutely positively
never endorse any presidential candidate publicly on this list
nor should the following be construed as support for the
candidates mentioned. <span style="background-color: rgba(255,
255, 255, 0);">I only add the following statements and link as
a way to let y’all know that our frustrations with equipment
are being heard by some. Ok enough with the fine print:</span></div>
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<div>Elizabeth Warren added support for the right to repair
movement as one of her written policy planks - T<span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">o my
knowledge the only one but the movement should grow to the
point candidates probably won’t be able to ignore it. </span>Here’s
Warren’s policy paper on agriculture in general but in that she
specifically mentions right to repair:</div>
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<div>I am watching the right to repair movement closely.</div>
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<div>Spencer</div>
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On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Al Jones <<a
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<div>No. If your tachometer goes bad, you get a new one
with 0000.0 hours. </div>
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<div>Al</div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at
11:52 PM Cecil Bearden <<a
href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Probably
not, and the mileage on the title of an auto or truck is
<br>
nothing that can be relied on... I used to be able to
tell by the wear <br>
on floorboards, rust, paint scratches etc if a trucks
mileage was <br>
right. Tractors are a different animal. Usually just
change the tires <br>
and if repainted, change the hoses and belts, new seat
and cab interior <br>
and it is a new tractor.<br>
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Cecil<br>
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On 9/15/2019 8:36 PM, Jack wrote:<br>
> Tractors are not titled. Automobiles and trucks
are. When you sell an auto, you record the mileage at
time of sale and your signature. Is it even illegal to
alter the hour meter on a tractor?<br>
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On Behalf Of Cecil Bearden<br>
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 7:33 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
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> Subject: Re: [AT] Statistics In Tractor
Manufacturing Was Bicycle Program<br>
><br>
> The New Holland Money Pit is what it is because
somewhere in its history the hour meter was turned
back. New tires were installed and it was made to look
like a 5 yr old tractor with about 200 hrs per year.<br>
> Cecil<br>
><br>
> On 9/14/2019 10:26 AM, James Peck wrote:<br>
>> Some years ago I did participate in an academic
Statistical Quality Control course. Much of the course
involved the Weibull Distribution. If I remember
correctly, the Weibull Curve predicted the lifespan of a
manufactured assembly such as a tractor. It appears to
be a gift from the mathematicians.<br>
>><br>
>> <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibull_distribution"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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>><br>
>> The same distribution probably predicts that
Cecil’s New Holland money pit will continue to be so and
will suffer an early demise.<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I never took a whole semester
of Statistics. Instead, we had a course called
Engineering Experimentation, which was heavy on
experiment design and statistical data analysis. That
gave me a very good appreciation for the practical
application of statistics. Out in the real world,
on-the-job training programs in quality control
principles in manufacturing (Deming, Juran, Lean Six
Sigma) continued to solidify the practical applications.<br>
>><br>
>> [Cecil Bearden] Steve: I nearly flunked
statistics I only passed because I was a graduating
senior. However, I did flunk Rocks & Clods 2124 and
had to find another 4 hours to graduate. Then 35 years
later I retire as a Geotechnical engineer designing
foundations. !!!<br>
>><br>
>> [Stephen Offiler] I'm not sure if that is an
interesting statistic, or simply predictable
statistically. All you just said is that a bell-curve
distribution for 2-year degrees overlaps a bell-curve
distribution for 4-year degrees.<br>
>><br>
>> [ James Peck] The interesting statistic is that
some technical 2 year programs have higher starting
incomes than many 4 year degree programs. People who
complete such a program can later take a 2+2 program to
get a four year degree if they choose.<br>
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