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    <p>Farmer:<br>
      I would bet the factory does not want the rear tires ballasted so
      the hydrostat can slip if needed.  I recall a small new holland
      hydro tractor a doctor friend had.  They weighted the rear tires
      and were pulling loaded small trailers of cut firewood over the
      ranch with a lot of steep hills.  The hydrostat did not last
      long.  A lot of those true hydrostat transmissions cannot take the
      load.  I think that is the reason for the constant variable
      transmission and the large number of gears on the old power shift
      transmissions.  <br>
      Cecil<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2019 8:54 PM, Indiana Robinson
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">About rear ballast... I've held off on mentioning
        this until I had a quick chance to ask son Scott a question. I
        was recalling something he had told me some time ago but wanted
        to be sure I wasn't dreaming it.  :-)  He remembered it and said
        the the source was our close neighbor to the west who bought a
        new John Deere Compact Utility Tractor (I "think" it is about 35
        or 40 HP with a nice loader and hydro-static transmission). He
        couldn't recall if it was something in the owners manual or
        advice from the dealer but supposedly he was not to install tire
        ballast in that tractor. They sold weight for behind the tractor
        or it was OK to hang an implement behind it but there was some
        reason to not ballast the tire or add wheel weights. I have no
        idea what the reason was...  My first thought was that maybe
        they felt that the rear axles might be a weak spot but I seem to
        recall some mention of the hydro-static transmission. I'll
        likely see that neighbor this week end and I will ask him about
        it. I had never heard anything like that before.<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:01 PM
          Cecil Bearden <<a href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true">crbearden@copper.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <p>Steve:</p>
            <p>I would make a small wager that your rims would have been
              50% less if you could have ordered them before Fiat got so
              involved in new holland.  I am just not a fan of Fiat. 
              After they bought out Allis Chalmers construction
              equipment, parts were either non-existent or platinum... 
              Unfortunately I have a few pieces of Allis construction
              equipment here.  None are operable due to a repair parts
              cost of over $2000.  This is the reason I went to
              Caterpillar.  There are enough aftermarket parts available
              for Cats.  Cat tried to stop the aftermarket parts supply
              many years ago by buying Surplus Tractor Parts of Fargo
              North Dakota.  3 years after buying them Caterpillar
              shutdown the facility and scrapped all the machines in
              order to make everyone buy new Caterpillar machines.   It
              did not work as they planned.  The overseas manufacturers
              started supplying parts and small salvages started up all
              over.  I recently traded my old D6 8U series dozer for a
              112 grader.  My old D6 had sat for about 10 years since I
              parked it.  We loaded it without it not running.  The
              fellow I traded with is a real mechanic.  We dropped the
              dozer off at about 1pm Sunday and loaded the grader and
              headed home.  He had the dozer running before dark!!!!!  
              I wish he was closer to my place, we could have some great
              times with all of our toys.  That trade has turned out to
              be a great deal for both of us.   I have another 112
              grader, and also another friend in the brotherhood.....<br>
              Cecil<br>
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            <p><br>
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            <p>On 9/5/2019 4:55 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:<br>
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                <div>Hi Dean:</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>My non-antique chore tractor is a Ford 1520,
                  which is a 23hp 4x4 diesel built by Shibaura in Japan,
                  1995ish.  Rear tires are 13.6 x 16 R-3 turf.  It has a
                  loader.  I got it used in 1999 with 396 hours and
                  calcium in the rears.  Rims finally rotted through
                  last year.  Got new tires from Simpletire dot com at
                  Cecil Bearden's suggestion.  But it turned out that
                  the rims aren't common.  Could not find a generic
                  equivalent, and I had to go to the CNH dealer
                  (Messicks, in fact).  The cost was staggering (no
                  fault of Messick's, it was the same or higher
                  everywhere else).  I hate to say how much but it was
                  deep into four digits to get the tractor rolling
                  again.  So apparently it held off the calcium for
                  about 23 years assuming the original owner had it
                  delivered loaded.   I'd like to think I'm young enough
                  (57) to see another 23 years on this tractor and I
                  chose to spend the money on the beet juice.</div>
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                <div>SO</div>
                <div><br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 5, 2019
                    at 12:36 AM <<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Steve,</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">I have CC in my rear tires
                          on my Compact Tractor. Don’t like CC but it
                          was in there when I bought the tractor and
                          I’ve only had one leak in 20 plus years.   The
                          tractor would be completely useless w/o it. As
                          long as I have owned the tractor, now over 20
                          years, I have tried to find compatible rear
                          wheel weights. No luck so far.</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
                            href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Offiler<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 4, 2019 4:44
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion
                          Group <<a
                            href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] weighted tires or
                          not???</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dean, I recommend beet
                            juice.  Yeah, people say it's expensive (a
                            relative term).  On a little sub-compact
                            utility tractor, it might cost a couple or a
                            few hundred bucks.  It will probably be
                            comparable money to the cheapest implement
                            you've acquired.  And the thing is, it's an
                            "implement" that you will use every single
                            time you run the tractor, and it's an
                            "implement" you don't have to install or
                            remove (after the initial installation of
                            course).</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Steve O..</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at
                              6:51 AM Dean Vinson <<a
                                href="mailto:dean@vinsonfarm.net"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dean@vinsonfarm.net</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dean
                                    VP, completely agree—the loader
                                    moves the COG forward as you said,
                                    and rear weights move it back
                                    rearward and downward as Steve had
                                    said.  Only quibble I’d add is that
                                    you may have meant to say adding
                                    ballast in the rear reduces “the
                                    relative proportion of” weight on
                                    the front axle, not the absolute
                                    weight on the front axle.</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’ve
                                    never rolled a tractor but have a
                                    little sub-compact utility tractor
                                    with a mower deck and loader.  I
                                    should get a rear counterweight for
                                    the 3-point hitch (or an implement,
                                    as you’ve done) for use with the
                                    loader, but just having the mower
                                    deck on helps a lot.  (Although it
                                    can be in the way sometimes,
                                    limiting the usefulness of the
                                    loader).   But without at least the
                                    mower deck on, the loader is all but
                                    useless… little tractor is just too
                                    tippy.</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dean
                                    Vinson</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Saint
                                    Paris, Ohio</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                    style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
                                      [mailto:<a
                                        href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>]
                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b><a
                                        href="mailto:deanvp@att.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">deanvp@att.net</a><br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September
                                      4, 2019 2:04 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> 'Antique Tractor Email
                                      Discussion Group' <<a
                                        href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] weighted
                                      tires or not???</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Steven</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Here is why I think
                                  adding rear counter weight to a
                                  tractor with a loader helps stability
                                  against roll-over.</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">When a loader is
                                  added to a tractor  the COG moves
                                  forward. With a load in the bucket it
                                  moves further forward almost over the
                                  front axle causing less traction or
                                  weight on the rear axle/tires.  Note:
                                  adding ballast in the rear reduces
                                  weight on the front axle with more on
                                  the rear.  Most of the roll over
                                  stability comes from the rear tires. 
                                  One does not want the tractor
                                  stability coming from a rotating WFE
                                  or a NFE.  The rear wheels need to
                                  have a dominate role. This may be an
                                  intuitive response but I think the
                                  physics will verify it. </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
                                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Offiler<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 3,
                                  2019 5:19 AM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email
                                  Discussion Group <<a
                                    href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] weighted
                                  tires or not???</p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">In 3-dimensional
                                    space, the CG of a tractor is likely
                                    to be very close to the center in
                                    terms of left-right; closer to the
                                    rear in terms of front-back; and
                                    some height from the ground.  When
                                    you add ballast to the tires it does
                                    not change that left-right CG
                                    location (assuming you add ballast
                                    equally to both rears), and moves CG
                                    even farther to the rear and closer
                                    to the ground.  It is intuitively
                                    clear that a tractor on the verge of
                                    a side rollover will be aided by
                                    weight added to the uphill side. 
                                    But from a free body diagram
                                    perspective, the difference comes
                                    from the changes in CG rearward and
                                    downward.</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">SO</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 3,
                                      2019 at 7:56 AM Jim Becker <<a
href="mailto:mr.jebecker@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">mr.jebecker@gmail.com</a>>
                                      wrote:</p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The
                                                added 500# on the high
                                                side has more effect
                                                than the 500# on the low
                                                side.  It is farther
                                                away horizontally from
                                                the bottom of the low
                                                side rear tire (or the
                                                magic
                                                triangle/trapezoid) and
                                                thus has more leverage. 
                                                As far as it “having a
                                                greater effect than any
                                                change in CG”, it is the
                                                same thing.  Looking at
                                                the 500# by itself is
                                                just selecting one
                                                component of the CG to
                                                look at (a valid way to
                                                look at it).</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Adding
                                                fluid to the tires
                                                definitely lowers the
                                                CG.  How much depends on
                                                a bunch of factors,
                                                including how tall the
                                                tires are, how high the
                                                CG is to begin with and
                                                the relative weight of
                                                the fluid vs. the weight
                                                of the tractor.  The
                                                taller the tractor, the
                                                more effect it has. 
                                                When we first started
                                                using mechanical grape
                                                pickers (1960s), many of
                                                them were built on a
                                                very high clearance
                                                tractor (6 feet+ under
                                                the axles).  The things
                                                were plenty heavy enough
                                                as delivered, but
                                                everyone loaded the
                                                tires to help the
                                                stability.</span></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Jim
                                                Becker</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Re:
                                                      [AT] weighted
                                                      tires or not???</span></p>
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                                                style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Static
                                                rollover happens when
                                                the CG moves outside of
                                                the pivot point which is
                                                the bottom of the
                                                downside tire (or tires
                                                of pivot is against
                                                stop). As long as the CG
                                                is “inside” of the down
                                                side rear tire the
                                                vehicle will not roll.
                                                As soon as the CG moves
                                                outside of the pilot
                                                point the unit will
                                                rollover. </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Dynamic rollover when turning at
                                                  speed changes things
                                                  because it adds
                                                  centrifugal force to
                                                  help shove the CG
                                                  sideways and make the
                                                  unit roll sooner.</span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12pt;color:black">With weighted tires, the downside
                                                  tire has an extra 500#
                                                  outside of the pivot
                                                  point trying to tip
                                                  it, in addition to the
                                                  500# or the upside
                                                  tire holding it back.
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                                                    On Sep 2, 2019, at
                                                    5:22 PM, Howard
                                                    Pletcher <<a
                                                      href="mailto:hrpletch@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
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style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Wouldn't
                                                          the extra 500#
                                                          or so holding
                                                          the high side
                                                          down have a
                                                          greater effect
                                                          than any
                                                          change in CG? 
                                                          It seems it
                                                          would be more
                                                          stable.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12pt;color:black">On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 5:54 PM Dennis
                                                          Johnson <<a
href="mailto:moscowengnr@outlook.com" target="_blank"
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style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The weighted tires would lower the
                                                          center of
                                                          gravity
                                                          slightly.
                                                          Assuming the
                                                          tires were
                                                          100% full the
                                                          CG of the
                                                          added fluid
                                                          would be on
                                                          the axle CG.
                                                          If less than
                                                          100%, then the
                                                          CG would be
                                                          slightly
                                                          lower. The CG
                                                          of most
                                                          tractors will
                                                          be slightly
                                                          above the axle
                                                          center.
                                                          Tractors with
                                                          offset final
                                                          drives would
                                                          have CG a
                                                          little higher
                                                          than those
                                                          with the final
                                                          drive in line
                                                          with the
                                                          engine
                                                          crankshaft.
                                                          Combining the
                                                          CG of the
                                                          tires and
                                                          tractor would
                                                          lower the
                                                          overall CG a
                                                          little bit,
                                                          making the
                                                          tractor more
                                                          stable.<br>
                                                          Adding low
                                                          mounted
                                                          implements or
                                                          weights would
                                                          change this.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Dennis<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Sent from my
                                                          iPad<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          > On Sep 2,
                                                          2019, at 2:37
                                                          PM, John Hall
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:jtchall@nc.rr.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jtchall@nc.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > All this
                                                          talk about
                                                          wide front vs.
                                                          narrow front
                                                          got me
                                                          wondering
                                                          about
                                                          something
                                                          else. Are
                                                          tractors with
                                                          fluid filled
                                                          rears more
                                                          stable on
                                                          hills or in
                                                          quick
                                                          maneuvering on
                                                          uneven ground?
                                                          The reason I
                                                          ask is that I
                                                          replaced the
                                                          tires on a IH
                                                          utility
                                                          tractor we
                                                          have had since
                                                          new (1972
                                                          454). It has
                                                          over 8,000 hrs
                                                          and we have
                                                          always had
                                                          weighted tires
                                                          on it. Well I
                                                          didn't have
                                                          time to fill
                                                          the tires with
                                                          fluid before I
                                                          began using it
                                                          this spring.
                                                          So far I am
                                                          liking the
                                                          less weight
                                                          for treading
                                                          on wet spots
                                                          in fields. I
                                                          recently
                                                          reduced the
                                                          air pressure
                                                          (it was at 25,
                                                          I dropped it
                                                          to 20) because
                                                          it was shaking
                                                          me to death
                                                          while spraying
                                                          a field. The
                                                          only time the
                                                          loss of weight
                                                          has been an
                                                          issue is
                                                          moving one
                                                          load of
                                                          hay--it was
                                                          digging pretty
                                                          bad. We do all
                                                          of our
                                                          bushogging
                                                          with this
                                                          tractor so
                                                          there are
                                                          quite a few
                                                          banks and
                                                          hillsides to
                                                          get into.
                                                          Wonder if it
                                                          would be more
                                                          stable with
                                                          the fluid in?<br>
                                                          > <br>
                                                          > John Hall<br>
                                                          > <br>
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