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The significant difference between a wide and narrow front is the height of the “pivot point” on the front end. A narrow front pivots close the the center of the front tires on the ground. A wide front pivots on the front axle pin, which is close to 2 feet
above the ground, until it hits the stops. After it hits the stops things change.
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On Sep 2, 2019, at 2:26 AM, "<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:deanvp@att.net">deanvp@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Howard and Jim,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many years ago right here on ATIS I published a link to the engineering study that showed the roll over potential difference between NFE vs WFE. As I recall it was a study accomplished in some other country other than the US. For some
reason I want to say Australia but that may be a fig newton of my imagination. A few years ago this subject came up again here on ATIS and I tried to find the published information but didn’t have luck then. Maybe someone who knows how to do a really good
search on ATIS Archives can find my reference link. I’m guessing it was well over 10 years ago maybe even 15 years ago. The tests were very well documented and the Engineering Science was included showing how the COG changed between the two front ends, before
and during a potential roll. It was a very well done engineering piece of work. I’ll do some web searching again and see if I can find the article. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Becker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 1, 2019 10:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <<a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Tractor safety<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I thought I was the only one that had that repeated argument with George. My assertion was that any advantage a WFE might have was inconsequential. By the time a WFE hit the stop, you were already
near, if not past the tipping point. None of us had any hard data to back up our opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Sunday, September 01, 2019 7:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Dean:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">You or some other long time members here might recall (or maybe not) :-) me having a friendly disagreement years ago with my old friend George Willer with me trying to make the exact same point
about not encouraging wide front operators to become over confident on hills.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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