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<p>It also would be a fix for a broken cylinder in the top deck.
However if you try it hold the lift arms down with the drawbar
stay bars and then use the external outlet for a single acting
ram, it will bend the stay bars. They are only to be used in
tension. <br>
We used to install a diverter valve on the top deck of the masseys
to run an external control valve. We would dump the oil back into
the top deck through a port in the top deck. To use the external
valve, the lift arms were raised to the top, then dropped about an
inch, then the diverter valve was opened and the quadrant control
lever raised to the top and the pump then ran oil to the external
valve.</p>
<p>Cecil<br>
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<div dir="auto">If the pressures are equal to all the cylinders,
you are still adding square inches of cylinder size, so capacity
would be greater. Like going from a 2 inch diameter cylinder to
a 4 inch.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hahaha…that’s funny about the mirrors
Dean. But to be honest I’m not sure if I’ve ever tried
to adjust the mirrors on my ’02 F-250.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking at that pic Farmer provided I
wondered just how much lift those added cylinders
provide. Seems like they attach to the pin at the top of
the 3pt lift arms. That can’t be much more than ½ or 5/8
rod. So I’d think they’d bend and pop off without a
great deal of effort.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Brad</p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Antique group <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>[External] Re: [AT] Ford 8N (and a
few others) 3 point booster</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Farmer,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is really interesting. I too
have not seen anything quite like this. Not sure how
that would impact or interfere with the top link sensing
load and depth control. But… if the hydraulic feed to
those two cylinders is coming from the same place as the
inside piston. that drives the two lift arms. then it
might not really have that much impact on the load and
depth sensing. But it would be considerably stronger if
there is enough extra hydraulic pressure to provide the
extra boost. However, I wouldn’t think this would be
needed for normal three point tillage implements but
for a tool that requires an abnormal lift capacity such
as a boom or a bucket. I’ve not seen the rear mounted
manure loaders on a Ford N series. I do find it
interesting that the hydraulic pump has the excess
capacity to provide more lift capacity to the lift arms
via external cylinders. If so why wasn’t it channeled
to the internal lift cylinder to begin with. Safety
factor??? Design tolerance?? How much can be lifted by
the three point without the front end coming off the
ground or becoming light enough to be dangerous? The
whole weight distribution equation is different on Fords
vs JD’s which I am more familiar with. JD Two Cylinders
have about 70% of their overall weight on the rear axle
where I suspect N Series Fords are just the opposite.
On Two Cylinder JD’s we constantly fight getting enough
weight on the front end for 3 point hitch lift capacity
and N Series Fords the whole beauty of the three point
hitch was the added virtual rear wheel weight due to
load and depth sensing. The N Series Fords are ungodly
light in the rear end and really handicapped for
traction w/o the three point load. So… did the front end
come off the ground with this added lift capacity under
heavier loads and become unsafe? In todays world of
opportunistic litigation would this option provide an
path for the legal leaches? Interestingly this kind of
completes a full circle. Harry Ferguson’s early work on
hitches, that eventually became the Ferguson System, was
to try to find a way to stop the Fordson’s from having
their front ends come up and over and killing the
operator. BTW, I too cannot turn my head and or body
enough to see anything clearly behind me. When I was
younger I would get impatient with older drivers who
took so long to back up. Now that I have joined the “old
fart” club I completely understand. I depend on mirrors
a whole lot more than I used to and they are not without
their limitations either. I tend to avoid parking where
I have to back up in crowded areas. But… embarrassingly
there are little things that can help. I’ve owned my
2003 Ford F250 7.3L Diesel truck since new which now has
around 190,000 miles on it. One would think I would know
the damned thing inside out but just this week I learned
something about the driver’s door rear view mirrors that
I never knew before. It is embarrassing. As long as I
have owned the truck I have never been completely
satisfied with the rear view angle of the big mirror vs
the close in view of the convex lower mirror. I would
adjust the whole assembly to reach some kind of
acceptable compromise. Just this week I
realized/discovered that the lower convex rear view
mirror can be adjusted independently. Duh. Where has my
head been at? There is a whole new world out their on
busy freeway’s and Interstates for me now. Now, I’m
trying to get used to how far away a vehicle really is
vs the false impression one gets with a convex mirror.
16 years of ignorance. Maybe I should read the owner’s
manual. <span style="font-family:"Apple Color
Emoji"">😊</span> Ve get too soon oldt and too
late smardt! Really Embarrassing. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dean VP</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Snohomish, WA 98290</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Indiana Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 26, 2019 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> [AT] Ford 8N (and a few others) 3 point
booster</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I spotted this lift booster at
the Portland IN show and have never seen one quite
like it. I have been wondering if it was a general
purpose thing or if if was made to be used with a
specific 3 point manure loader?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Those 3 point rear loaders were
fairly common in the 1940's and early 1950's. I used
one as a kid until we got a front end loader about
1954. It was not bad but did lack the ability to
break packed manure free. We got past that by using
the Deere MC (and later the 40C) with the dozer
blade to push the manure out of the barn into a big
loose pile them putting it into the spreader with
the rear loader.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Today I couldn't possibly mount
enough mirrors on a tractor to be able to see back
to use a rear loader and I sure can't crank my neck
around enough to do it. :-)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> This booster was plumbed from
the fitting under the transmission direct to the
cylinders and there was no extra pump or controls
involved.</p>
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Central Indiana USA<br>
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