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    <p>3-5 seconds is longer than you think, I will agree.  However
      cranking that long ensures there is oil in most of the bearings. 
      An immediate start can subject the bearings to a lot of wear.  
      AJohn Deere 170 skid steer followed me home Wednesday.  That old
      Wisconsin takes a good 10-15 seconds of cranking to fire up if it
      has been sitting for a day...  Just a typical Wisconsin engine...<br>
      Cecil<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/2019 9:23 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
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      Thanks for the input guys, I think I'll stick to using the glow
      plugs given the price of a quality battery these days. My tractor
      starts really quickly, more like Che-che-che-vroom. I usually turn
      the key to the on position, make a lap or two around the tractor
      to check for stuck twigs etc, then start it<br>
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      Best regards,<br>
      Mike M<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/2019 6:55 PM, Stephen Offiler
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        <div dir="ltr">Pretty much agreed with Cecil, except, maybe, the
          3-5 second rule of thumb.  5 seconds of cranking is actually a
          LONG time.  Think about it: 
 Che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-che-VRoooommm. 
          I'd probably cap it at 2-3 seconds myself.  On the other hand,
          "starts fine" is what Mike M said, so that's probably not an
          extended cranking period.  I guess the issue would be raw
          diesel fuel washing the oil off the cylinder walls.  That's a
          concern, but I think it would take many years of abusive
          starting to trash the engine.
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          <div>SO</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 6:16
            PM Cecil Bearden <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:crbearden@copper.net">crbearden@copper.net</a>>
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            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If it fires up quickly
            without a lot of smoke I would not be concerned.  <br>
            Many of the newer eastern european tractors will start in
            near zero <br>
            weather without glow plugs.   My opinion is that if the
            tractor will <br>
            start easily with 3 to 5 seconds of cranking without a cloud
            of white <br>
            smoke, then the glow plugs were not needed.   My D6D Cat
            states to use <br>
            the glow plugs when below 75deg.  It does not need them at
            75 at all.  I <br>
            always let it warm up a little before moving also...<br>
            Cecil<br>
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            On 8/18/2019 4:22 PM, Mike M wrote:<br>
            > I have a question for the list regarding glow plugs.  I
            have a newer<br>
            > compact tractor with a 3 cyl diesel. It starts fine in
            warm weather and<br>
            > even cool weather >40 without using the glow plugs.
            Am I doing any harm<br>
            > by by not using them in warm weather? Thanks for any
            input, the manual<br>
            > is not helpful.<br>
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            > Regards,<br>
            > Mike M<br>
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