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<p>I use Gstar Cad. It was about $400 and serviced by an 80yr old
fellow in New Jersey. He speaks english!! The program has served
me very well drawing most all Civil engineering projects I do. I
mostly use 2D, but when I get into contours I have finally figured
out how to redraw 3d contour lines so we can figure yardage. I
got the version with the dongle that plugs into the back of my
computer. I can load it on as many computers as want but only
the one with the dongle will run it. I had autocad 2000 and got a
virus in the computer and lost my autocad. That is when I found
out they had switched to subscription. No way I can afford the
subscription..<br>
Cecil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/27/2019 10:56 AM, Dennis Johnson
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<div>I was able to do a basic ProE course a few years ago, and had
the blessing of being able to play with it a little to draw some
simple tank. I was high enough up in management that I never was
able to develop any proficiency with it. Now that I retired, I
ended up with a So9lid Works 2014 program on my laptop, and I
need to take thee time to do tutorials and then start drawing
some projects I want to see our company develop. Takes time and
motivation to stay with it.</div>
<div>For simple stuff I use AutoCAD Lt. it works fine for 2D
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<div>My son used one of the ACAD clones for some stuff, but it
seems like it lasts so long and then something happens where it
no longer works. Many times it may be computer crashed and then
you loose the program with the crashed computer.</div>
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On Jul 27, 2019, at 9:14 AM, James Peck <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a free version of DraftSight
on this laptop. DraftSight was a brilliant move by the
folks that own SolidWorks to put a big hurt in Autodesk.
A couple of years ago I used DraftSight to redraw a very
large single surviving paper copy of the hydraulic
circuit of a 1200 ton hydraulic press. The file was a
dwg file and could be opened and edited with AutoCAD. I
used my laptop because I did not have admin privileges
to load DraftSight on my work desktop. I was able to
store the resulting file on the server.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My DraftSight will now operate only
when I am online. The official notice is that the free
versions will quit operating in 2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do own AutoCAD 2000, the last
version you can own. I run it on a home desktop under
windows 7 XPMODE.. It will not load under Windows 10.
That is inconvenient.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[James Peck] I registered for a ProE
class at El Paso Community College to start in early
2000. When I got to the first class, it was cancelled
due to low enrollment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>[</b>Stephen Offiler] I got into
3D CAD in 1997 with Parametric Technologies Corp's
Pro/Engineer software. It was (disclaimer, I am
working from 21-year old memories) originally
developed to run on Unix workstations. It was ported
to run under Windows NT, which wasn't exactly the same
beast as the consumer-flavored versions of Windows at
that time. Pro/E's user interface suffered from
simply being not-Windows, just not as familiar and
intuitive - no where close in fact. It was a lot of
work to get proficient with Pro/E. But at that time
my boss was playing a lot of golf with the local
Solidworks VAR (value-added reseller, basically the
local rep). Once we were a few years deep into Pro/E,
with a growing database of new projects developed
under Pro/E plus a lot of conversion from legacy 2D
CAD as well as even older manual drawings - we were in
DEEP and I resisted the change mightily. I lost, of
course. We adopted Solidworks in 2002-3, and never
looked back. The UI was fully Windows-compliant and
the learning curve was very smooth. I still run
Solidworks pretty much daily and I would highly
recommend it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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