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<p>That new electronic ignition may be causing problems with the
coil. Also, since the electronic ignition will create a lot
hotter and higher voltage spark, the coil can be shorting out. I
have also had new name brand coils start misfiring when hot. My
last GM that used the coil in the cap had 4 coils before I put the
old original one back to stop the misfire when hot... If the
engine just shut down without any misfire, pulling down, etc of
that type, then it is ignition. I would also look for a relay in
the circuit. Maybe one in the main ignition wire feeding the
switch. I spent over $400 and 6 months hunting a blower problem
when it was a breaker in the line....<br>
Cecil<br>
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Yes, but it moves the new ignition system or module up higher on
the list of potential problems
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Since he said he just installed an electronic
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<div>Had similar problems with our oliver 77.
Frustrating but found had condenser that was faulty.
Joe Hardisky ryman farm dallas pa.</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [AT] Radiator situation </div>
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I agree that 2 problems are described here.
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<div>Also agree that bubbles in coolant are most
likely a head gasket or cracked head. For
occasional use run with the radiator cap loose and
that should let the bubbles escape without loosing
coolant. For occasional use you can run like this
for a long time.</div>
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<div>My thought is the second problem of engine
quitting is some electrical device getting hot and
it stops working, such as a coil. When it cools
down it starts working again.</div>
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Tyler, sorry you had problems on the ride.
After reading you whole post I would first
assume the two issues are unrelated but...
here is how they may be related. Have you
checked the timing with a timing light? It is
possible that the timing of the spark may be
too early causing the spark to occur too soon.
That would cause the engine to run too hot.
That may be the reason the ignition is cutting
out and the radiator coolant to be raising too
high znxx overflowing. Sometimes it is hard to
differentiate the coolant bubbles being caused
by the water pump versus a compression leak.
So I would set that aside for awhile. First
problem to solve is the engine cutting out.
First obtain or order a temperature gauge.
While waiting for it check the timing with a
timing light. IF thzt is ok then check for
poor or loose connections. After getting the
temp gauge installed go for a test run. Then
pursue the coolant issue.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Last Saturday, June 8, I
took my Oliver 88 on a tractor ride. I
have<br>
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<div dir="ltr">been on this ride for five
years, and it In the first, and
hopefully<br>
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<div dir="ltr">the last, year I didn't
finish.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I had just put an
electronic ignition on it with a new
coil, spark<br>
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<div dir="ltr">plugs, wires and cap. On
the ride, I rode for quite awhile, (I
don't<br>
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<div dir="ltr">remember how many miles),
and stopped for a break. I started it
back<br>
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<div dir="ltr">up, and we kept going. The
tractor was running like a sewing
machine.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Just purring away.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">And then all of a sudden,
at full throttle, I am running, running,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">running, and then it died.
No smoke, no leak, nothing. It just
quit.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So, they pulled me with
another tractor to the side of an
elevator.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">One of the guys said,
"Tyler, try starting that again. Might
just be a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">vapor lock." So I pushed
the button. Sure enough, it started
again! It<br>
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<div dir="ltr">ran like an Oliver for
another 8 miles, and did the same thing
again.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">This time, some antifreeze
leaked on the bottom, but it was a "drip<br>
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<div dir="ltr">drip" and then it quit. So
it got towed to a guys house, of whom I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">knew, and I hopped on a
people hauler to finish the ride.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I went back, and started
it, and had someone drive it onto the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">trailer for me. (Remember,
I'm visually impaired). It ran fine then<br>
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<div dir="ltr">also.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So I brought it home, put
it into the shed. I took both hoses and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">clamps off, and found a
half galon of coolant came out.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Anyway, we cleaned the
fittings up, put new hoses and clamps
on, and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">bought some water in the
gallon jugs at the grocery store. (We
had to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">replace the pump in our
well, and so there's a lot of rust in it
now<br>
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<div dir="ltr">and didn't want to put that
in). Anyway, a few days later, I
proceeded<br>
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<div dir="ltr">to fill it. My father
brought over a funnel that had a little
oil on<br>
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<div dir="ltr">it. I wanted to clean it,
but he said it wouldn't hurt. So when I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">dumped the third gallon in,
it made a small screech. We realized
that<br>
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<div dir="ltr">the radiator was full! It
uses 4.5 gallons according to the book.
It<br>
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<div dir="ltr">was filled almost to the
brim. (That's too full). So then I went
to<br>
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<div dir="ltr">start it. My father
suggested that we leave the cap off so
we could<br>
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<div dir="ltr">see what was going on
inside the radiator. So we started it,
and like<br>
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<div dir="ltr">always, it fired right up,
and ran fine. However, I had filled the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">radiator so full, it was a
wet mess. So we left it outside for the<br>
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<div dir="ltr">night so that the excess
could just leak out and didn't make a
mess on<br>
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<div dir="ltr">the shed floor.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Yesterday, (Sunday) my
grandpa, (The one who gave me the
tractor),<br>
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<div dir="ltr">was over for a meal and to
visit. Grandpa obviously had grown up on<br>
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<div dir="ltr">both an Oliver 70 Hart
Parr, and an 88 like I have now. So all
three<br>
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<div dir="ltr">of us went out to look at
it. We checked the radiator. It had<br>
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<div dir="ltr">obviously leaked down to a
"happy point." We added a pint of water,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">just to make sure it was
over the core.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So here again, I started
it, it ran like an oliver the whole
time.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">However, in both instances
I ran it, there have been air bubbles in<br>
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<div dir="ltr">the radiator. Both times in
running, there is no white smoke, the
oil<br>
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<div dir="ltr">looks great, and, as my
grandfather said, both hoses are the
same<br>
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<div dir="ltr">temperature. I must also
mention that when I had the hoses off, I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">flushed the radiator 4
times. There is also supposed to be a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">thermostat in the tractor,
but apparently it never has had one
since I<br>
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<div dir="ltr">have had, or my grandfather
has had the tractor. It never got hot.
So,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">this is what we know so
far.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">1. The day of the tractor
ride, it obviously got overheated a bit.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">(We are all in agreement
that somehow it had to be low on
coolant.)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">2. My grandfather highly
doubts its the head or the head gasket,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">because the oil is fine.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">3. After 40 minutes of
running each time, it didn't get overly
hot.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">(The temp gauge has never
worked on this tractor, but just by
feeling<br>
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<div dir="ltr">the cap, it only felt
"engine warm"<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">3. It's not the water pump,
because water is circulating just fine<br>
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<div dir="ltr">and not leaking.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">4. It isn't boiling out on
the sides of the radiator or anything<br>
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<div dir="ltr">after running for awhile.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">So, why might it be
bubbling? There has to be an air pocket
or<br>
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<div dir="ltr">something somewhere that's
causing this. The other thing that I am<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">wondering is, "Did the
tractor always do this, and nobody
realized it<br>
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<div dir="ltr">until now, because there
was no reason to pay attention to it?"<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Should a person just run it
down the road at full throttle for a<br>
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<div dir="ltr">couple of miles to try to
get the air out?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">What does everyone think?<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Thanks for any help, and
sorry for the long post. This is my
pride<br>
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<div dir="ltr">and joy, and so I want to
take great care of it, as always.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Take Care,<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Tyler Juranek<br>
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