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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Carl, I have run 15W40 oil in all of
our older gasoline tractors and trucks for decades now. I use that
in the Farmall 140 as well as the Olivers, AC, Cat, Massey-Harris,
etc. Also, when the gasoline vehicles were rated for 10W/xx once
many miles were in place, the same thing. Why? Because it works
better than the modern 10W and single viscosity oils. Too clean
makes no sense to me in terms of the surfaces based on the oil
characteristics. Currently I am not using my Studebakers, but the
only problem I found with modern multi-viscosity oils (and yes I
moved to 15W40 on them and the other old vehicles) was if the
engine had no oil filter and had NOT been rebuilt, then too much
gunk could be released when they moved to a modern oil if they had
sat for years.....</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> Grant Brians -
Hollister,California farmer</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2019 3:40 PM, Carl Gogol wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for all the input Steve, Mark, Jim,
Mike, Cecil, Alan,, Henry, Dave and Spencer. You might guess
from my question that I was a bit reluctant to just run the
tractor with Diesel rated oil. So, although I am cheap by
training as a product designer, I will bite the bullet and
change the oil. I had ran the engine long enough to fill the
new filter and check the oil pressure which was great, about
30 PSI, but wondered about longer term use. I also learned a
lot about oils from your comments. I found it to be
especially interesting / troubling that the Diesel oil could
leave the cylinder surfaces too clean.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">BTW, does anyone know the recommended oil
for an International 140? I am guessing straight 20 or 30 for
summer or perhaps 10W30 for year around. Comments and
opinions here might be interesting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Carl<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AT
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com"><at-bounces@lists.antique- tractor.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Stephen Offiler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 28, 2019 9:39 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Diesel rated oi/ Gasoline powered
engine?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting article:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So diesel oils still contain ZDDP,
which was reduced or removed from spark-ignition oils
after around SF or SG (I think) due to catalytic
converter poisoning. ZDDP is desirable to have in an
oil, absent the concern over the catalytic converter. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The choices in diesel oils tend to be
higher in viscosity; we can all see that on the shelves
at the store. This can be bad news in a modern, fresh,
tight-bearing-clearance engine. Thinner oils are
necessary to properly fill the smaller bearing
clearances. On the contrary, it seems that the looser
old iron we should be discussing here would benefit from
the thicker viscosity in most cases. Up to the point
where there is concern about pumpability when very cold.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That last concern, where diesel oils
have higher detergent, doing an excessively good job on
the cylinder walls - I'm struggling to understand why
this is a factor for gas engines and not a factor for
diesel engines.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Mark
Johnson <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">markjohnson100@centurylink.net</a>>
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<p>I don't know how much the formula might have changed,
but from the early 1970's through when my dad left the
farm in the mid 2000's, we ran Rotella T 15W-40 in a JD
620, 2 730's, an IH 300, AC 190XT, 210, and 8030,
several pickup trucks and Gleaner combines, and
heaven-only-knows how many cars, including mine (Chevy
350 V8). Never had a lubrication-related failure that I
can remember. We bought the stuff by the barrel; usually
had two of them around - one at each farm, 14 miles
apart. The only reason I no longer use it is that
today's cars recommend 5W-20 or 5W-30 viscosity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The only exceptions were the JD H and A, where we used
"Golden Shell" non-detergent SAE 20 or 30, depending on
time of year.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Disclaimer: My dad's baby sister was married to a Shell
jobber, but we paid the same price as everybody else
:-).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mark J<br>
Columbia, MO<br>
Southern Indiana farm boy now working at the big
university :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/26/2019 12:04 PM, David
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've started using the Rotella
T-4 15W-40 in all my tractors that I don't expect to
work in the winter. Haven't been doing it long
enough to see if there are any damaging effects
though. I have read about the additives like Henry
mentioned - specifically zinc and how it is bad for
catalytic converters, but good for our old valve
lifters. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's also a lot easier to just
have two oils on the shelf.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 11:50
AM Carl Gogol <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Henry-<br>
Unfortunately, the oil I used is not rated S
anything. How does that change<br>
your answer?<br>
Carl<br>
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On Behalf Of Henry Miller<br>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:52 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AT] Diesel rated oi/ Gasoline
powered engine?<br>
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Read closely, most diesel rated oils are rated up
to sf or something like<br>
that. The s stands for spark ignition, and the f
is the revision. If it has<br>
a s rating at all it is better for your engine
than a more modern sj rating.<br>
Because of emissions Car engine manufacturers have
been unable to get the<br>
older additives needed by your tractor to work and
have had to change their<br>
bearings to get an oil that lubricates without
destroying emissions. Diesel<br>
engines have different considerations and still
have those additives. <br>
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Bottom line, in all antique gas engines I start in
the diesel oil section<br>
and then find one with a gas rating. <br>
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--<br>
Henry Miller<br>
<a href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com"
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On Sun, May 26, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Carl Gogol
wrote:<br>
> Without thinking, I just drained my "new"
1968 IH-140 and filled it <br>
> with Rotella 15W-40 T4 Diesel rated oil.<br>
> It is one of those "All Fleet" oils and I
was easily led astray by <br>
> that slogan. Of course I carefully read the
label once the jug was empty.<br>
> What would you do? Drain and replace or
leave it in and replace it <br>
> next year? Are the additives all that
different?<br>
> The IH 140 is an old state road clipper with
a side mount "HydroClipper"<br>
> sickle bar mower. The engine sounds really
tight and absent of any <br>
> sounds common from a long used engine. It
will probably get less than <br>
> 20 hours use in a year.<br>
> Carl in rainy Mallkus NY<br>
> <br>
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