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<p class="MsoNormal">Might be interesting to see if you could incorporate a derailleur type of system. That way when you’re moving you can gear up to keep pace with fewer pedals.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AT <at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com> on behalf of Dennis Johnson <moscowengnr@outlook.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Antique group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 8:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Antique group <at@lists.antique-tractor.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[External] Re: [AT] OT Bicycle program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am wanting to do “bicycle pedal”” type of power for a kayak or similar small boat. Need to take time to work out Design do sometthing like this.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always wanted to power a pond boat using a bicycle mechanism and a propeller but I noticed all pedal powered boats use paddlewheels, so I just bought a trolling motor and forgot about it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I used to think a Raleigh three-speed bike rear hub was about a complicated as a thing could get, that I could figure out, and I may have been right. Those things worked like Chinese arithmetic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As to balancing a spoked wheel- it is difficult but not impossible to do without a college degree. We bent, loosened and broke bicycle spokes when kids and replaced them, and I have balanced and trued MGB wire wheels well enough to finish
balance them with lead weights like any other tire. When you are a kid with time to develop a "feel" for torque and tension, and can pay attention to cause and effect of adjustments, you can learn a lot on your own.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:17 PM Indiana Robinson <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've met a few but you are probably talking about bicycles instead. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know of Huffy bikes but not "Huffy men". Sounds like they might have been traveling mechanics?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dragging old tractors into this... I am a little surprised that no one ever designed a bicycle crank mechanism into a starter system for an old hand crank tractor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is an Amish shoe shop not far from here that the last I knew was still using a big old Landis out-sole stitcher that was still driven by a set of bicycle pedals. The operator sat on the seat and pedaled it which would be tricky because
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:42 PM Rena Glover Goss <<a href="mailto:rlgoss@twc.com" target="_blank">rlgoss@twc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey farmer! do you remember Huffy Men?<br>
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---- Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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> Hi Brian:<br>
> <br>
> Rebuilding spoked wheels is not much of a DIY job; also many small<br>
> spring-loaded parts inside rear hub are challenging for DIY; pretty much<br>
> all of the bearings (hubs, pedal crank assembly, steering head) are all<br>
> press-fit cartridge bearings; suspension components both front and rear<br>
> require periodic maintenance and are pretty complex internally. Things<br>
> wear out eventually but can be adjusted along the way to compensate for<br>
> wear, said adjustments requiring special knowledge. Most areas of the<br>
> bicycle require special service tools. Visit this link and scroll around a<br>
> bit to get an idea just how extensive this is:<br>
> <a href="https://www.parktool.com/category/tools" target="_blank">https://www.parktool.com/category/tools</a><br>
> <br>
> The problem with compensation for bicycle mechanics is related to supply<br>
> and demand, as (I think) you pointed out yourself. This is an adult<br>
> enthusiast hobby. Maybe I should have been more clear upfront, but we are<br>
> NOT talking about department store bicycles ridden by children. Department<br>
> store bikes use simpler technologies but no one even bothers to repair them<br>
> anymore; they are basically disposable. What we are talking about are<br>
> bicycles still sold largely from Mom & Pop bike shops, with price ranges<br>
> starting around $600-800 on the very low end up to $10,000+ on the high<br>
> end. Adult cycling enthusiasts ride frequently and on a sustained basis;<br>
> they want light weight, responsive handling, and a customized fit; and they<br>
> will spend what they can afford since this constitutes a significant<br>
> fraction of their life on an ongoing basis. The problem, again, is supply<br>
> and demand - only a fraction of all bicycle owners become this kind of<br>
> enthusiast. The Mom & Pop who own the shop have money tied up in the brick<br>
> and mortar facility, inventory, accessories, etc and the profit margins are<br>
> thin so they can only afford a certain amount to compensate employees.<br>
> Every one of those employee is a serious enthusiast who makes the decision<br>
> to combine their vocation and their avocation and accept the relatively low<br>
> compensation in order to enjoy that lifestyle. Hence, bike mechanics don't<br>
> make much money.<br>
> <br>
> And again, there really aren't fancy degrees. Yes, there are a couple of<br>
> institutions offering certifications, but they really aren't valued. The<br>
> best mechanics come up through something like an informal apprentice<br>
> program.<br>
> <br>
> With apologies to the list because we are WAY WAY off the antique tractor<br>
> topic.<br>
> <br>
> Steve O.<br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 6:05 PM Brian VanDragt <<a href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank">bvandragt@comcast.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
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> > I was kidding, but even though the parts are made out of fancy materials,<br>
> > if its broke, unscrew it and replace it. If the electronics go bad, unplug<br>
> > it and replace it. Bicycle mechanic sounds like a hobby, not a job. There<br>
> > must not be a big need for bicycle mechanics or they would make more<br>
> > money. I just don't see bicycles needing to be taken to a specialist with<br>
> > a fancy bicycle degree to get fixed.<br>
> ><br>
> > Brian<br>
> ><br>
> > On April 12, 2019 at 5:33 PM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I suppose you're kidding, Brian?<br>
> ><br>
> > For the record, today's high end mountain bikes have significantly greater<br>
> > quantity and quality of suspension travel than my 1970's vintage<br>
> > motorcycle, hydraulic disc brakes, tubeless tires, and derailleurs that<br>
> > shift electrically. They are made of exotic materials: ultra-high-tensile<br>
> > aluminum alloys in grades you've probably never heard of; titanium; and<br>
> > carbon fiber. These high-end modern bicycles are more like Ferraris and<br>
> > the bikes you refer to, when you were a kid, more like Model T's. So, yes,<br>
> > bicycle mechanic is definitely a vocation. Not very lucrative, as we've<br>
> > already discussed.<br>
> ><br>
> > SO<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 2:36 PM Brian VanDragt < <a href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank">
bvandragt@comcast.net</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I didn't know there was a such thing as a bicycle mechanic. I had a few<br>
> > bikes when I was a kid and I didn't need any school to figure out how they<br>
> > worked or how to fix them. To me a bicycle mechanic seems about as<br>
> > necessary as a wheelbarrow mechanic. Are there any wheelbarrow mechanic<br>
> > degrees?<br>
> ><br>
> > Brian<br>
> ><br>
> > On April 12, 2019 at 1:35 PM James Peck < <a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">
jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > So true. This link lists a couple of vocational bicycle mechanic programs.<br>
> > The problem such programs have is that everybody who pays for the course<br>
> > expects a completion certificate, regardless of the skill level they end up<br>
> > with. The link does mention that big earnings should not be expected.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/highest-regarded-bike-mechanic-school-north-america-827055.html" target="_blank">
https://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/highest-regarded-bike-mechanic-school-north-america-827055.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The recently exposed college admissions cheating scandal is possible<br>
> > because once admitted, the overrated students will get good enough grades<br>
> > to graduate.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > [Stephen]There is no such thing as an Associate Degree in Bicycle<br>
> > Mechanics.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > The program in the link provided is not intended to train bicycle<br>
> > mechanics. It uses the bicycle as a case study in modern manufacturing,<br>
> > encompassing welding and fabrication of a variety of materials (advanced<br>
> > high-alloy steels, aluminum, titanium) plus composite (aka "carbon fiber")<br>
> > techniques, plastic injection molding, CAD design work, etc etc. I find it<br>
> > a very clever way of engaging the students.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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