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Coaster brakes, New Departure and Bendix, totally different designs. And then I graduated to the 3-speed, with it's 3 little gears inside, etc. Man, that was a loooong time ago!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 10:31 AM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Excellent examples, Warren. I've never had the "pleasure" of servicing a 3-speed hub, but I've seen the exploded parts diagrams. No, thanks. And regarding spoked wheels, beyond truing ("balancing") I was referring to a full replacement of the rim. I've done many - I ride primarily offroad, and it's a tough environment for these lightweight parts. Getting all those spokes in the right order is an exercise something like knitting or weaving.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>SO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:24 PM Mogrits <<a href="mailto:mogrits@gmail.com" target="_blank">mogrits@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I always wanted to power a pond boat using a bicycle mechanism and a propeller but I noticed all pedal powered boats use paddlewheels, so I just bought a trolling motor and forgot about it.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I used to think a Raleigh three-speed bike rear hub was about a complicated as a thing could get, that I could figure out, and I may have been right. Those things worked like Chinese arithmetic.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As to balancing a spoked wheel- it is difficult but not impossible to do without a college degree. We bent, loosened and broke bicycle spokes when kids and replaced them, and I have balanced and trued MGB wire wheels well enough to finish balance them with lead weights like any other tire. When you are a kid with time to develop a "feel" for torque and tension, and can pay attention to cause and effect of adjustments, you can learn a lot on your own.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Warren<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:17 PM Indiana Robinson <<a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've met a few but you are probably talking about bicycles instead. :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know of Huffy bikes but not "Huffy men". Sounds like they might have been traveling mechanics?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dragging old tractors into this... I am a little surprised that no one ever designed a bicycle crank mechanism into a starter system for an old hand crank tractor.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is an Amish shoe shop not far from here that the last I knew was still using a big old Landis out-sole stitcher that was still driven by a set of bicycle pedals. The operator sat on the seat and pedaled it which would be tricky because guiding the shoe / boot takes about 3 hands itself.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 8:42 PM Rena Glover Goss <<a href="mailto:rlgoss@twc.com" target="_blank">rlgoss@twc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Hey farmer! do you remember Huffy Men?<br><br>Larry<br>---- Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br>> Hi Brian:<br>> <br>> Rebuilding spoked wheels is not much of a DIY job; also many small<br>> spring-loaded parts inside rear hub are challenging for DIY; pretty much<br>> all of the bearings (hubs, pedal crank assembly, steering head) are all<br>> press-fit cartridge bearings; suspension components both front and rear<br>> require periodic maintenance and are pretty complex internally. Things<br>> wear out eventually but can be adjusted along the way to compensate for<br>> wear, said adjustments requiring special knowledge. Most areas of the<br>> bicycle require special service tools. Visit this link and scroll around a<br>> bit to get an idea just how extensive this is:<br>> <a href="https://www.parktool.com/category/tools" target="_blank">https://www.parktool.com/category/tools</a><br>> <br>> The problem with compensation for bicycle mechanics is related to supply<br>> and demand, as (I think) you pointed out yourself. This is an adult<br>> enthusiast hobby. Maybe I should have been more clear upfront, but we are<br>> NOT talking about department store bicycles ridden by children. Department<br>> store bikes use simpler technologies but no one even bothers to repair them<br>> anymore; they are basically disposable. What we are talking about are<br>> bicycles still sold largely from Mom & Pop bike shops, with price ranges<br>> starting around $600-800 on the very low end up to $10,000+ on the high<br>> end. Adult cycling enthusiasts ride frequently and on a sustained basis;<br>> they want light weight, responsive handling, and a customized fit; and they<br>> will spend what they can afford since this constitutes a significant<br>> fraction of their life on an ongoing basis. The problem, again, is supply<br>> and demand - only a fraction of all bicycle owners become this kind of<br>> enthusiast. The Mom & Pop who own the shop have money tied up in the brick<br>> and mortar facility, inventory, accessories, etc and the profit margins are<br>> thin so they can only afford a certain amount to compensate employees.<br>> Every one of those employee is a serious enthusiast who makes the decision<br>> to combine their vocation and their avocation and accept the relatively low<br>> compensation in order to enjoy that lifestyle. Hence, bike mechanics don't<br>> make much money.<br>> <br>> And again, there really aren't fancy degrees. Yes, there are a couple of<br>> institutions offering certifications, but they really aren't valued. The<br>> best mechanics come up through something like an informal apprentice<br>> program.<br>> <br>> With apologies to the list because we are WAY WAY off the antique tractor<br>> topic.<br>> <br>> Steve O.<br>> <br>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 6:05 PM Brian VanDragt <<a href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank">bvandragt@comcast.net</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > I was kidding, but even though the parts are made out of fancy materials,<br>> > if its broke, unscrew it and replace it. If the electronics go bad, unplug<br>> > it and replace it. Bicycle mechanic sounds like a hobby, not a job. There<br>> > must not be a big need for bicycle mechanics or they would make more<br>> > money. I just don't see bicycles needing to be taken to a specialist with<br>> > a fancy bicycle degree to get fixed.<br>> ><br>> > Brian<br>> ><br>> > On April 12, 2019 at 5:33 PM Stephen Offiler <<a href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" target="_blank">soffiler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I suppose you're kidding, Brian?<br>> ><br>> > For the record, today's high end mountain bikes have significantly greater<br>> > quantity and quality of suspension travel than my 1970's vintage<br>> > motorcycle, hydraulic disc brakes, tubeless tires, and derailleurs that<br>> > shift electrically. They are made of exotic materials: ultra-high-tensile<br>> > aluminum alloys in grades you've probably never heard of; titanium; and<br>> > carbon fiber. These high-end modern bicycles are more like Ferraris and<br>> > the bikes you refer to, when you were a kid, more like Model T's. So, yes,<br>> > bicycle mechanic is definitely a vocation. Not very lucrative, as we've<br>> > already discussed.<br>> ><br>> > SO<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 2:36 PM Brian VanDragt < <a href="mailto:bvandragt@comcast.net" target="_blank">bvandragt@comcast.net</a>><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I didn't know there was a such thing as a bicycle mechanic. I had a few<br>> > bikes when I was a kid and I didn't need any school to figure out how they<br>> > worked or how to fix them. To me a bicycle mechanic seems about as<br>> > necessary as a wheelbarrow mechanic. Are there any wheelbarrow mechanic<br>> > degrees?<br>> ><br>> > Brian<br>> ><br>> > On April 12, 2019 at 1:35 PM James Peck < <a href="mailto:jamesgpeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">jamesgpeck@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > So true. This link lists a couple of vocational bicycle mechanic programs.<br>> > The problem such programs have is that everybody who pays for the course<br>> > expects a completion certificate, regardless of the skill level they end up<br>> > with. The link does mention that big earnings should not be expected.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <a href="https://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/highest-regarded-bike-mechanic-school-north-america-827055.html" target="_blank">https://forums.mtbr.com/tooltime/highest-regarded-bike-mechanic-school-north-america-827055.html</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > The recently exposed college admissions cheating scandal is possible<br>> > because once admitted, the overrated students will get good enough grades<br>> > to graduate.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > [Stephen]There is no such thing as an Associate Degree in Bicycle<br>> > Mechanics.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > The program in the link provided is not intended to train bicycle<br>> > mechanics. It uses the bicycle as a case study in modern manufacturing,<br>> > encompassing welding and fabrication of a variety of materials (advanced<br>> > high-alloy steels, aluminum, titanium) plus composite (aka "carbon fiber")<br>> > techniques, plastic injection molding, CAD design work, etc etc. I find it<br>> > a very clever way of engaging the students.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AT mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AT mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AT mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > AT mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><br>> ><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-- <br><br>Francis Robinson<br>aka "farmer"<br>Central Indiana USA<br><a href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com" target="_blank">robinson46176@gmail.com</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AT mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AT@lists.antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">AT@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br><a href="http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com" target="_blank">http://lists.antique-tractor.com/listinfo.cgi/at-antique-tractor.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Gene</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Kenneth Gene Waugh</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Elgin, Illinois</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>