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<p>Lots of wheelspin, just barely enough torque to pull it off...and
at the time, the H was 30+ years old and hadn't yet had an engine
overhaul. That came several years later.</p>
<p>Our farms in southern Indiana were (and still are) a collection
of mudholes and creeks surrounded by fields. Of the 2 farms/600
acres I grew up working, all but about 120 are now planted in
trees. I doubt I will see any revenue from the forestry project,
but I think my son and his second cousins probably will. <br>
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<p>We had a 300-foot, 3/4 inch steel cable, donated by a neighbor
who ran the local stone quarry. There were times when we needed
every inch of it to reach high ground. Carrying 30-40 feet of
chain on tractor platforms during harvest was routine.<br>
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<p>Mark J</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/15/2019 10:01 AM, Dean Vinson
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mark Johnson, great anecdotes. Pulling
that stuck 730 and corn wagon out with the H must have been a
heck of project!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dean Vinson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Saint Paris, OH<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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AT [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com">mailto:at-bounces@lists.antique-tractor.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mark Johnson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:at@lists.antique-tractor.com">at@lists.antique-tractor.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AT] Was Old tractor question; now
collection dynamics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Here are a few memories...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Although I now live in the city, I have a 1940 JD H (narrow
front!) in my shed, awaiting when I have time to get it
running and restored. Little Johnny was purchased by my
grandfather, brand new, in 1941. Until he came into my hands,
he was a 'working' tractor that always had a job to perform.
In my younger days I used it to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- Pull wagonloads of corn from the field to the grain bins,
then unhitch from the wagon, and hook the PTO to the elevator
to unload. The real fun was getting a load of corn around a
sharp corner while going up a 30 degree slope, with a railroad
crossing at the top. Take a good run at it in low gear, and
don't try it if there was a train in sight...which could be
fairly frequently, in the mid 1970's the now-abandoned Monon
sometimes had 12 trains a day. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- Rake hay. When I was 12 or so, we had the clutch set up so
tight that I couldn't yank it out on one occasion; I remember
my dad having to run up behind me, jump on the hitch, and pull
the clutch out so I could stop.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- On one memorable occasion, all 12 HP were put to use to
pull one of our 730's plus 110 bushels of corn out of a mud
hole. Kind of like the tail wagging the dog, but we got it
done!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Little Johnny has a dent in the hood, underneath the steering
shaft, that I will not be fixing...here's the story: Sometime
in the middle 1940's my dad and his brother cut down a tree,
which fell the wrong way and landed on top of the tractor,
'twanging' the steering shaft and flexing it far enough to put
a nice little crease in the sheet metal. The shaft didn't bend
or break, and when my dad and granddad repainted the tractor
in the late 1970's they didn't fix the dent - so I won't
either. My dad is now gone, and his brother is approaching 90
years old and in poor health, but that dent is a family
memory...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Other tractors we had back then:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- JD A with high-altitude piston kit; compression was high
enough it wouldn't start when cold without opening the
cylinder cocks. The hot-rod kit to increase starter torque was
a flop. That year of A was rated at 38 HP, ours pulled 43 on a
PTO dynamometer with nothing more than new plugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- JD 620, essentially stock. Not sure what has happened to
it; I have a connecting rod from its last overhaul stashed in
my garage. A truly beefy piece.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- Two Diesel 730's, one with fenders and one without. I think
they were built in two different years, the gearing was
slightly different...the no-fenders tractor had a 5th gear
that clipped along at about 7 mph at rated speed...great for
driving in for lunch. Both of them could plow all day on one
tank of fuel. My cousin has one of them, the other was sold. I
can't remember if both came from one tractor, or one from
each, but we had two cracked flywheels at 100 lbs each,
sitting around the farm for many years...my cousin and I
threatened to build a heavy-weight cart out of them, using the
equally-beefy drive axle that was the last remaining part of
great-great-uncle Jim's 1903 Cadillac. I think all those
pieces got bulldozed into a hole after the arsonist burned
down the barn on my grandfather's place.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- The one oddball in the fleet, my maternal grandfather's
Farmall 300. We mostly used it to mow hay, left the 9W mower
hooked up most of the summer. Also used it to carry a platform
with fence building/repair supplies into places where a pickup
couldn't go. Never a great tractor, but it always would start
in the winter, and often pulled or belt-started one of the
730's. This was the tractor that suffered the short in the
starter solenoid on me while I was a half-mile from the house,
clipping pasture. As far as I know, the engine has never been
torn down. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- An AC 190XT - never a great tractor, engine had to be
re-sleeved after it developed antifreeze leaks. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- An AC 210 - no cab, tremendous pulling power - would pull 6
16" bottoms with ease. Big drawback...not enough radiator. If
you ran it at full rated RPM in heavy Indiana clay soil, it
would overheat within a couple hundred yards. I tried for 2
years to talk Pop into spending $1000 or so to have a special
radiator built for it with an extra row of tubes, so it would
cool. An oddity: we got it when it was about 5-6 years old,
but we were the first legitimate owner. It had been stolen
from a dealer lot when new, then somebody else stole it from
that guy. It got back into 'circulation' when a sheriff's
deputy caught the second thief and his brother trying to
pull-start it on a cold morning. They didn't seem to know what
they were doing, so the officer called the serial number
in...and sure enough, it came back as stolen. It sat on a lot
for 3 years or so while the insurance company, original
dealer, and AC fought over the details. We got it for a very
reasonable price, with only about 250 hours on the tach.
Hadn't been abused, the guys who stole it never even pulled
the seal wires off the fuel injection pump to attempt to boost
output (with the aforementioned radiator, it wouldn't have
helped much anyway).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>- An AC 8030 - full airconditioned cab, 10-15 more HP than
the 210 (same engine block, more blower). Had enough radiator
to run at full power with that 6 bottom plow...and almost was
enough to get me to come back to the farm when I was about 35
or so. Still on the farm, used by a neighbor who rents the
tillable acreage. A/C compressor no longer holds refrigerant,
so it is not pleasant to drive in high summer any more! Price
of a new compressor was/is outrageous. [Tractor aircon has
always been problematic...designers don't realize what a
hostile mechanical environment a farm tractor can be; seals
and fittings that work fine in automotive use just don't stand
up in the field.]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Good times in southern Indiana...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mark J<br>
Columbia MO <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/14/2019 5:56 AM, Henry Miller wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">You hit
it with memories. My great uncle made his own tractors,
and so my early memories are of tractor shows. I loved
the big tractors and steam engines, I was knee high to a
grasshopper, so they were really impressive. Still are
now that I'm big. They are mostly unaffordable, but I
want a 60/30 heavy oil pull. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
first tractor I ever drove was a model titan that my
great uncle built. He sold that and build a second which
I now have. Turns out to be my goto tractor for fun, it
starts easy and is easy to drive. You can't do much with
only 3 horse power, but I don't have much to do. I've
never been a farmer. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
model John deere D is built on a 1.5 horse John deere e
hit n miss. It is fun to drive, though my son (now 5)
doesn't let me often. Generally I walk beside it for
safety while he drives. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My grey
tractor is the last one I have that my great uncle made.
In my memories it is yellow and had a now missing log
splitter attached. Someday to I need to build one to get
it right. This is my only tractor with electric start,
something I can do without: electric start tractors were
too modern to get into shows when I was a kid. (this is
probably not true, but in my memory...) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
other tractors in my memory are from my dad's side, he
was a farmer at one time and still kept the tractors. He
traded a Ford-Ferguson for an 8n. I remember with my
cousin trying to push it to prove how strong we were
(now that I'm older I wonder if taking it out of gear
might have made us successful). Until she died a couple
years ago I wanted to take it with her to a show with it
just to hear the announcer say "that is the original
owner driving". This tractor now belongs to my uncle. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Then
grandpa bought a Ford 860, this is the tractor of my
dad's memories, he has 3 when it showed up and that was
very exciting for him. Now my dad has it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Last
grandpa bought a John deere B for cheap at an auction
because nobody else was bidding. My dad drove it home (5
miles or so). Now it is my big tractor as my son calls
it. It is mostly used for hay rides. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Last is
a homemade lawn tractor that grandpa made from a David
Bradley and model A Ford parts. It runs but the clutch
needs work so it doesn't drive. This was mostly built as
a pto for a grain elevator. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I moved
to Moline IL a month ago, I have a 40x60 poll barn to
store this all in. However getting boxes unpacked has
been using most of my limited time. The B did get put to
some use getting everything to the trailer. I haven't
had the energy to write anything about the move though. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Henry Miller<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <a
href="mailto:hank@millerfarm.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">hank@millerfarm.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Wed,
Feb 13, 2019, at 9:39 PM, Spencer Yost wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Why
did you own what you have owned? Farmer started it;
as he usually does....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The
preponderance of narrow front tractors a tractor
shows is sort of a weird variation on self-selection
bias. When people collect tractors, they tend to
collect what caught their interest when they were
younger and imprinted in their memories. So their
memories are screaming “let me into the sample!“.
Those memories are reinforced by nostalgic pictures
of Farmall Ms, John Deere A’s, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having lived in Pennsylvania, and
seen many horses but very few tractors, I don’t
really have a bias that I can sense and explains the
menagerie of tractors I have owned. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I bought my Farmall A because it
was close, handy, and i knew of a mower i could put on
it. I bought my Pacer because i was looking for a
project, it was close, from a co-worker, it was handy,
and it was a good price even though it was rusted
stuck. Every tractor was a weird twist of fate. I’ve
inherited one(friend who passed), got a call out of
the blue, you name it. I have probably owned around
30 tractors; they have all come and gone after I got
them running and made them happy(a few went to scrap
when I made a mistake in assessment). They are a
complete smorgasbord of anything and everything you
can imagine.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve settled on my Ford 861, MH
Pacer and JD 430V. I’ll probably die with these. If
there is any pattern, it is obvious that I prefer
tractors from the 50s.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My collection pride and joy was a
complete set of the Massey Harris “equine” tractors. I
had a Pony, Pacer, Colt and a Mustang. A guy came
along and offered me more money than I could refuse
and now they are gone. My original Pacer remains.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition I rebuilt the engines
of 6-8 tractors in this area around 1990-2000. I
still see a few mowing and brush-hogging from time to
time. That’s probably my greatest reward. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A
friend recently said he is about to give me his
family’s Ford 8N for engine rebuilding.
Hopefully I can post on that from time to
time(Don’t hold your breath: he said that a year
ago too. :-) ).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spencer Yost<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
Feb 13, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Indiana Robinson <<a
href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">robinson46176@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You are right Greg, my 4020
Deere was narrow front. Not my first choice
but it was a very good buy on a very good
tractor. It did have the Roll-a-matic and that
did help a lot on handling and ride. It was
also very heavy and thus quite stable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For most things wide front
/ narrow front doesn't really matter to me I
have always adapted easily, even to a #%&^
hand clutch. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My father's first tractor,
a 9N Ford, bought new in early 1942, of
course, an adjustable wide front. My
grandfather never owned a tractor nor a
car/truck, only horses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The rebuilt McCormick
10-20, acquired during those tractor shortage
post war years mentioned was a "standard
tread" wheat-land style front axle. It was
traded for a decent 1939 Chrysler sedan in
1951.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Ferguson TO-20, bought
new about 1949 was an adjustable wide front. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By 1952 - 53 my older
sister and I were putting in hours running
tractors and my father became largely
committed to low slung wide front tractors for
safety reasons. About 1952 a John Deere MC
crawler came to the farm and I spent a lot of
time on it and later the Deere 40C crawler,
bought new, that the MC was traded in on. Is a
crawler a "wide front"? :-) Very high
stability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In very early 1954 the 9N
was traded for the 1953 Ford Jubilee, of
course also a wide front low slung tractor.
That one had 2 clutches, one foot and one hand
for live PTO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Deere 40C was traded
for a IHC 300U, also low and wide front.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't actually ever
recall ever even driving a tricycle front
tractor until we got the Allis Chalmers C that
a close family friend had bought new in 1946
and owned for 20 years. We used it a lot for
stationary PTO use like elevators and augers
and using the mid-mount sickle mower. I still
have that tractor and it has been to a number
of shows.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We stayed with ear corn
longer than most, we had a Kentucky connection
who would pay a premium for good ear corn for
cattle feed. My father found a very good used
New Idea 2 row mounted picker with mountings
for a Farmall M. We found a good Farmall Super
M tricycle (that I still have) to mount that
picker on. I then found my Farmall Super MTA
tricycle which was ideal for that picker with
independent PTO and TA. (I still have that one
too) It has been to Portland before.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Farmall 400 LP bought
just because we wanted it is a wide front. I
still have it but it is not currently running,
needs an engine rebuild.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The MM-R with a #$%^ hand
clutch, is a narrow front. Still have it,
bought it at an uncle's auction. It has been
shown a number of times including Portland.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The 1948 John Deere A is a
Roll-a-matic narrow front with a #$%^ hand
clutch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ferguson TO-20 (not our old
original) wide front. Used almost daily.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1946 Case VAC, narrow
front, also in regular use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1947 Farmall Cub and a (I
forget the year) Massey Harris Pony. Both wide
front but not very wide. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I almost forgot my MF-165D
wide front. I have some of it apart but maybe
I will get there next fall. Priorities are
different when you no longer actually farm...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh and 2 8N Fords. One
nearly done and one not started on and not
really a priority.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also a Case VAC that hasn't
decided if it is a project or a parts tractor.
A narrow front.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess That's everybody.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess that my biggest
complaint about narrow fronts is how they can
turn into virtual bulldozers in extremely soft
wet soil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking of moving tractors
around, I see a lot of single fronts at shows
here these days but I never saw any of them
growing up...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at
6:40 PM Greg Hass <<a
href="mailto:ghass@m3isp.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ghass@m3isp.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This
is a question I have wondered about for
years although it is not <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">world
changing. The question is: why are some
areas mostly wide front <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">and
others narrow front tractors? In our area
of Michigan, as soon as <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">wide
front became available almost 100% went
with wide front. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Personally,
I hate narrow front tractors with a
passion. I would never <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">get
a narrow front tractor except maybe an old
2 cylinder JD or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">something
like a Farmall F-12 where wide front
either did not exist or <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">is
extremely rare. I know that in some areas
the larger tractors had <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">narrow
front because of mounted corn pickers.
From videos other areas <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">had
narrow fronts. If you Google ( tractors
from the past, plowing in <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1962)
you will find many tractors plowing but I
didn't see a single wide <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">front
even on a couple new generation JD's. I
don't know where the video <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">was
filmed but I suspect Indiana because of
the fields and the way they <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">raised
the plows to go over grassed waterways;
something I still see <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when
we travel there to see our kids. I'm not
sure, but I think the 4020 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Farmer
used to own had a narrow front. Also why
does no one make narrow <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">front
anymore? In the video, even the Ford
disking has a narrow front, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">something
I have never seen in our area and in years
past there were a <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">lot
of Fords around us. Comments anyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Greg Hass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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