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<DIV><FONT size=4>my thoughts exactly Al. Consider the
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=farmallsupera1@gmail.com>Al
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 12, 2019 2:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=at@lists.antique-tractor.com>Antique Tractor Email
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AT] Of the 10 worst tractors, two were made by Fiat. 4
were from brands eventually acquired by Fiat.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Most of the article was drivel, based on second hand information. And
I strongly dislike Fords and MFs.</DIV>
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<DIV>Al<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM Indiana Robinson
<<A>robinson46176@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>As an old geezer...
<DIV>Our information pool was typically smallish and pretty local. What we did
know was often quite a bit about the guys that were bad-mouthing a tractor or
implement. Many times we knew whether or not he belonged to the club that my
father used to refer to as "just being rough on rat's"... My own
statement has long been "He could break an anvil while straightening
feathers." š If they were in that club you deeply discounted
their opinion. In today's wide open Internet world we don't usually know that
about those who express opinions.</DIV>
<DIV>By the same token there were those in the area who's opinion we respected
very highly.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 9:28 AM Spencer Yost <<A
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<DIV>Stephen,<BR><BR>That was my very first question too. Looks like
heās just writing article to write an article. He found some complaints and
put them on the list. I owned an MT and could not
get rid of it fast enough. It was not a terribly useful tractor.
I donāt think it belonged on the 10 worst of all time though. </DIV>
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<DIV>But this brings up the sampling error prevalent in so many opinions
that I hear. Itās becoming very rare to run across the folks like Herb Metz,
George Willer, Gene Dotson, Gil Schwartz and others , who were around and
using these machines when they were new. They probably are the only
ones that have an accurate picture of what was a lemon and what wasnāt. Iām
57, so in reality I am only familiar with each models āsurvivorsā -
āresidents of the right hand tail of the bell curveā if you will, and
clearly not the units that were lemons. </DIV>
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<DIV>I really like my Ford 861, but did I just get one of the top 10% made
in terms of quality and workmanship? If I had bought one new in the late 50s
would I have had a 15% chance of buying one causing nothing but heartache
and grief? Being this young I canāt answer this question.<BR><BR>Sampling
bias is real, alive, and loose in the world. You always have to guard
against it</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><BR>On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:37 AM, Stephen Offiler <<A
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 AM James Peck
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of the 10 were made by Fiat. Another 4 were from brands eventually
acquired by Fiat. Amazingly jd has 2 of the 10.<BR><BR>Massey Ferguson
had a dud. They used a Cat engine. Should have stayed with
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