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<DIV><FONT size=4 face="Lucida Sans"> Farmer, you can’t be the
old geezer. You are younger than I am. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV> <FONT size=4>I mostly based on opinion that most
tractors were equally made and should be matched for the job they were designed
to do. Another match should be to the operator and his expectations and
abilities. I have driven and even owned tractors that were problematic to me. A
560 diesel that dropped a valve at 3:30 in the morning. The Case 1070 I owned
that nearly put me in the poor house. Rear end failure twice and twice with
cracked cylinder sleeve flange. Broken lift arm that penetrated a rear tire
while plowing. Best tractor has been my 1959 Case 700 diesel I have owned since
1972.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4> Have operated many tractors and other
machinery for other neighbors and friends. Some better than others, but as long
as they were maintained, I never operated any that would be on the worst
list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Gene</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=robinson46176@gmail.com
href="mailto:robinson46176@gmail.com">Indiana Robinson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 12, 2019 12:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=at@lists.antique-tractor.com
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AT] Of the 10 worst tractors, two were made by Fiat. 4
were from brands eventually acquired by Fiat.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>As an old geezer...
<DIV>Our information pool was typically smallish and pretty local. What we did
know was often quite a bit about the guys that were bad-mouthing a tractor or
implement. Many times we knew whether or not he belonged to the club that my
father used to refer to as "just being rough on rat's"... My own statement
has long been "He could break an anvil while straightening feathers."
😀 If they were in that club you deeply discounted their opinion. In
today's wide open Internet world we don't usually know that about those who
express opinions.</DIV>
<DIV>By the same token there were those in the area who's opinion we respected
very highly.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 9:28 AM Spencer Yost <<A
href="mailto:spencer@rdfarms.com">spencer@rdfarms.com</A> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Stephen,<BR><BR>That was my very first question too. Looks like
he’s just writing article to write an article. He found some complaints and
put them on the list. I owned an MT and could not get
rid of it fast enough. It was not a terribly useful tractor. I
don’t think it belonged on the 10 worst of all time though. </DIV>
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<DIV>But this brings up the sampling error prevalent in so many opinions that
I hear. It’s becoming very rare to run across the folks like Herb Metz, George
Willer, Gene Dotson, Gil Schwartz and others , who were around and using these
machines when they were new. They probably are the only ones that have
an accurate picture of what was a lemon and what wasn’t. I’m 57, so in
reality I am only familiar with each models “survivors” - “residents of the
right hand tail of the bell curve” if you will, and clearly not the
units that were lemons. </DIV>
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<DIV>I really like my Ford 861, but did I just get one of the top 10% made in
terms of quality and workmanship? If I had bought one new in the late 50s
would I have had a 15% chance of buying one causing nothing but heartache and
grief? Being this young I can’t answer this question.<BR><BR>Sampling bias is
real, alive, and loose in the world. You always have to guard against it</DIV>
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<DIV id=m_-7546876651269746762AppleMailSignature dir=ltr>Spencer Yost</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><BR>On Feb 12, 2019, at 4:37 AM, Stephen Offiler <<A
href="mailto:soffiler@gmail.com" rel=noreferrer
target=_blank>soffiler@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>What makes that guy the authority on the subject?</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_attr dir=ltr>On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:47 AM James Peck
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of the 10 were made by Fiat. Another 4 were from brands eventually
acquired by Fiat. Amazingly jd has 2 of the 10.<BR><BR>Massey Ferguson had
a dud. They used a Cat engine. Should have stayed with Perkins.<BR><BR><A
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