[AT] impact wrench

Stephen Offiler soffiler at gmail.com
Thu Jun 17 05:28:01 PDT 2021 

Fairly brief but very good discussion on battery manufacturing in the USA:

https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace-tech/the-us-could-manufacture-batteries-but-its-a-dirty-business/


SO

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 8:13 AM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> No,  I haven't.  But that might be a good idea to see if it performs to
> the specs they tout.  Cecil's opinion is that Milwaukee products do not
> meet their advertised performance specifications.    I only have experience
> with a Milwaukee 1/4" impact drill that has performed flawlessly for years
> but that is a long ways from a 1/2" IMPACT WRENCH.  I made the mistake of
> buying two more aftermarket batteries for it last year. The batteries were
> so far out of spec physically that wouldn't fit in the drill or the
> charger. I reported it and the seller sent me 2 more batteries even after I
> explained they were too big.  The second set was just like the first two.
> So I asked for a refund which they gave me.  So I ended up with 4 batteries
> that didn't fit until I took a course file to them and trimmed them to a
> dimension that allowed them to be used. So now I have 5 batteries for one
> Milwaukee impact drill.   So the right logic is I should buy more bare
> Milwaukee tools that use these batteries!  I haven't fallen into that trap
> yet. The aftermarket company was Chinese and it was like talking to a stone
> wall relative to the size problem.  "We send new ones"  They were all the
> same "wrong" size. Sum Ting Vely Wong
>
> When I did extensive business in China during the 90's communication
> issues cropped up all the time. It is against their culture to say the word
> "NO" and they never ever admitted they made a mistake. The common answer
> was "We fix"  But it would be really hard to find out what they were going
> to fix because they never admitted anything was wrong. I don't miss the
> challenges of that work.  Today it makes sense to bring the product back to
> the US for manufacturing but companies are slow to do so.  When one adds
> the problem of communication to the cost of shipping and the long lead
> times  the savings become questionable AND now with the Just in Time theory
> of inventory being thrown out the window many product shortages are
> occurring due to long lead times.  A lot of manufacturing
> theories/procedures that worked just a few years ago are now all upside
> down due to the Covid interrupted manufacturing process.
>
> People ask : "When are things going to get back to normal."   The answer
> is "Never"   There is a new "normal" being developed.
>
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA 98290
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel
> of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
> ..Winston Churchill...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Mike M
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 10:16 AM
> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Subject: Re: [AT] impact wrench
>
> Dean, have you checked to see if you can rent or borrow one?
>
> Mike M
>
> On 6/16/2021 2:37 AM, Dean VP wrote:
> > Dana,
> >
> > Yes, $449 is about the going rate. I've seen $399.99 somewhere on the
> net this week.  But my credit card isn't willing  to pull the trigger yet.
> This is a want not a need tool.    Every time I face up to buying this tool
> my head tells me I wouldn't use it often enough to make the purchase
> rational.  It is just like a 1957 Chevy that drives by occasionally.  I
> want one bad but I'm not willing to pay the dues to do so. I wanted one
> really badly in 1958 and 1959 and I still want that particular model/year
> car.   Buti they have reached a price level that is not in my vocabulary.
> >
> > Dean VP
> > Snohomish, WA 98290
> > "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
> > ..Winston Churchill...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Dana
> > Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:48 PM
> > To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > Subject: Re: [AT] impact wrench
> >
> > Dean,  Northern tool has it on sale at $449 with free shipping
> > includes charger and two batteries Li-ion. Item number 60619-2158.
> > Model 2767–22
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:00 PM, at-request at lists.antique-tractor.com
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> >>    1. Re: Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >>       Wrong--NOW Battery Power (Dean VP)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 22:53:19 -0700
> >> From: "Dean VP" <deanvp at att.net>
> >> To: "'Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group'"
> >>     <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >>     Wrong--NOW Battery Power
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> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Milwaukee Battery powered Impact wrench I drool over is Model
> #2767-22.  But I suspect that if your brush hog is anything like mine you
> will need a ?? or 1? impact wrench to get those blades off.  I gave up on
> getting my brush hog blades off.   I just raise the deck of the brush hog
> as high as I can get it and then I get under it and use a right angle
> grinder to sharpen the blades. Brush hog blades don?t need to be as sharp
> as lawn  mower blades. Too sharp and they will dull faster. Brush hog
> blades take a real beating and the edge has to stout and durable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dean VP
> >>
> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>
> >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
> >>
> >> ..Winston Churchill...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Mike M
> >> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 11:47 AM
> >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >> Wrong--NOW Battery Power
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow 1400lbs! I could use something like that for my brush hog, I can't
> get the  blades off for love nor money. I have spent hours under there with
> my grinder, and still can't get a decent edge. If I can get them off my son
> in law works for a company that has a vertical mill and could restore the
> edge. Right now it's like swings 2x4's.
> >>
> >> Mike M
> >>
> >> On 6/14/2021 3:47 AM, Dean VP wrote:
> >>
> >> The few battery operated devices that I have are slowly being upgrade
> to lithium batteries. They have been the east troublesome. Don?t seem to
> develop a reduction in charging capability over time and are much quicker
> to charge.  I have been reluctant to switch over to battery powered devices
> completely but with the advent of Lithium Ion the hand writing is on the
> wall.   There is one particular hand held device that I covet all the time
> and only the $400 cost holds me back. It would be nice to own but $400
> plus?.  I just can?t seem to get my credit card out yet. It is a Battery
> Powered impact wrench made by Milwaukee that has 1400 ft lbs. of reverse
> nut breaking force. Just think how many bigger bolts I could twist off with
> that. But in my limited experience my current  IR air driven impact wrench
> has twisted off way less bolts than my breaker bar has. I don?t remember
> what that reverse torque spec is right now.  I can set the level of torque
> on the tightening side but not on the rev
> >> erse side. I think the shocking of the impact wrench reduces damage
> considerably.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dean VP
> >>
> >> Snohomish, WA 98290
> >>
> >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
> gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
> >>
> >> ..Winston Churchill...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: AT  <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Bill Brueck
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 9:36 PM
> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> >> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >> Wrong--NOW Battery Power
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I?ve had excellent results by having battery packs rebuilt.  The local
> franchise for consumer batteries and such was Batteries Plus, I think they
> changed the name to Batteries and Bulbs or something like that.  Just leave
> it and pick it up a couple of days later with new batteries inside.  Half
> or less of the cost of new batteries.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sometimes the pack is constructed such that it can?t be taken apart and
> they can?t do those.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They also sell lawn mower batteries but the price is quite a bit higher
> than the same battery at the local farm supply franchise?Fleet Farm in my
> neck of the woods, but I know that?s regional.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I?ve also bought some of the cheap aftermarket batteries on eBay.
> These have not been satisfactory.  If they work at all, they haven?t lasted
> long.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> B?
> >>
> >> Bill Brueck
> >>
> >>    Pine Island, MN USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> > On Behalf Of Brad
> >> Loomis
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2021 10:14 PM
> >> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >> Wrong--NOW Battery Power
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I believe most  if not all newer LI tool battery chargers limit the
> amount of 'charging' they do to prevent over charging, battery degradation,
> etc. People get PO'ed when they have to drop a hun and a half on a battery.
> Granted they still go bad, but not like the Mikcheepas of old. I have a
> fair amount of Milwaukee 28V tools that I still use today. I've had to
> replace two batteries and at pushing $200 a pop I may not get anymore. I'm
> too old to invest in an entire stable of new 12, 18, or whatever volt
> tools. Mine serve their purpose. However if I were 20 years younger then I
> would definitely invest in new, red tools. We have a few at work that are
> really nice. That 18V transfer pump is terrific. These days if I need
> something I'm probably going to get pneumatic or corded. They are way less
> money as a general rule.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 7:23 PM szabelski at wildblue.net <mailto:
> szabelski at wildblue.net>  <szabelski at wildblue.net <mailto:
> szabelski at wildblue.net> > wrote:
> >>
> >> No. A battery tender doesn?t?t act like a battery charger. A battery
> charger will do one of two things, depending on how it?s designed. One will
> put out a constant voltage which isn?t the best thing for a battery since
> you can over charge the battery if left on too long. The other will charge
> the battery and when it?s near full charge, will drop down to a trickle
> charge to top off the battery. But again you shouldn?t leave it on
> indefinitely.
> >>
> >> On the other, hand a battery tender will automatically shut off when it
> senses that the battery is fully charged.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com <mailto:meulenms at gmx.com> >
> >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Sent: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 19:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >> Wrong--NOW Battery Power
> >>
> >> Carl, is the same true for a battery tender? I leave all my machinery
> >> plugged into them all winter long.
> >>
> >> Mike M
> >>
> >>> On 6/13/2021 6:43 PM, szabelski at wildblue.net <mailto:
> szabelski at wildblue.net>  wrote:
> >>> Maintaining batteries can be a hassle. At some point they will start
> >>> to not take a full charge and need to be replaced. They build up
> >>> internal ?shorts? (part of their internal chemical process) from
> >>> normal use that start to diminish their ability to be recharged. You
> >>> can go on YouTube and find videos on how to reverse change them
> >>> using a welder or other high current source. I?ve done it a few
> >>> times with some success. Also you shouldn?t plug a battery into a
> >>> charger and let it sit there forever, you wind up sorta putting a
> >>> reverse charge on the battery and it won?t fully charge anymore. You
> >>> shouldn?t drain a battery down to nothing either, it also degrades
> >>> the battery and the charger more than likely doesn?t have the
> >>> ability to fully resurrect a totally dead battery. My latest drill
> >>> will stop running at a point where the battery is still partially
> >>> charged. If I have one more screw to put in, it will work for a few
> >>> more turns with each trigger pull, but will not run continuously.
> >>> You
> >>   can also go on YouTube and find videos that will show you how to
> rebuild a battery using a set of equivalent batteries. Takes some soldering
> and knowledge of wiring them correctly.
> >>> Carl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: STEVE ALLEN <steveallen855 at centurytel.net
> >>> <mailto:steveallen855 at centurytel.net> >
> >>> To: at <at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >>> <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> >
> >>> Sent: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 16:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> Subject: Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake.....
> >>> Wrong--NOW Battery Power
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to everyone who responded to my query!
> >>>
> >>> As I was helping my son do some finishing work on a bathroom remodel
> today, another question occurred to me:  do the batteries on trimmers and
> such hold a charge?
> >>>
> >>> Between my son and me, we have three or four battery-powered
> drills/drivers.  None is commercial grade, but none was cheap, either.  But
> none of the batteries ever holds a charge (so my son resorted to a corded
> drill).
> >>>
> >>> If I have an opportunity to work, I can't first plug the charger in
> for four hours (or more) to get a working battery before getting started:
> I need to take advantage of my opportunities.  With a gas trimmer, I go
> out, crank it, and go to work.  Will I be able to do that with a
> battery-powered one?
> >>>
> >>> The "original" Steve Allen
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