[AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of cake..... Wrong

Mike M meulenms at gmx.com
Tue Jun 8 19:14:35 PDT 2021


Hi Jim, I transitioned to a Scag zero turn about 5 years ago and never
looked back, it cut my mowing time in half. I found the learning curve
was very short, and the controls very precise. Just remember you don't
have to push the control levers all the way forward, you can creep at a
snails pace if you want to. Our friends have a JD zero turn that his 16
year old daughter drives, no problems.

Mike M


On 6/8/2021 8:39 PM, Jim Thomson wrote:
> Cutting the lawn is also one of my wife's favorite things to do. In
> Massachusetts we had a Cub Cadet with a 50" deck and a Kawasaki engine
> to cut 1.5 acres. She loved this little tractor. I also bought her a
> Sthil blower and string trimmer. Fast forward to Iowa where we have a
> solid 4 acres of lawn to cut. Our current mower is a Kubota B2301 with
> a 60" 3 pt finish mower. I have to give the wife lessons on this as
> she is a little scared of it. A funny story, last weekend our
> farmer/landscaper neighbor called me and said he was coming over
> Sunday morning to cut our yard. There is a cemetery a half mile from
> us and he wanted the lawn looking good for Memorial Day . He brought
> over his big JD(Z945?) zero turns and asked if I wanted to try it. I
> gave it a try and it scared me to death. This thing had to be going 10
> plus miles an hour with perfectly cut grass. This was my first time on
> a zero turn so there was a steep learning curve. I thought I would
> drive this right into the ditch. After 2 passes, I parked it and went
> back to the Kubota. My wife then started using the JD and did just
> fine with it. My neighbor created a monster and now she wants a small
> zero turn mower! BTW, both Sthil's and our Honda push mower always
> start even with old gas. My HF generator is a first pull starter too.
> Jim Thomson
> Blairsburg, Iowa
> Jim Thomson
> Blairsburg, Iowa
>> On 06/08/2021 5:40 AM Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Couple general comments loosely related to Dean's mower and not sure
>> how to tie in to antique tractors.
>> One, Honda engines.  I needed a small push-mower for some tight spots
>> on my 3-ish acres that I mow with a 48" zero-turn.  My one criteria
>> was Honda engine.  Got one at the big-box store.  And yes that thing
>> has absolutely never, and I am not exaggerating, never ever failed to
>> start on the literal first pull, even in the spring after sitting for
>> 5 months (I do use Sta-bil in my gas).  One of these days I hope to
>> tear apart a Honda carb and maybe figure out a couple of their
>> secrets, but I need to find a dead one first, which doesn't seem likely.
>> Two, self-propelled.  I paid little attention to that feature when I
>> got said Honda powered mower.  It played up the "Front-Wheel-Drive". 
>> Sounds like a car commercial from the 1970's when that was a new
>> thing.  Turns out there's little weight on the front wheels and none
>> at all when you tip it back to steer it.  Stupid design, and my own
>> damn fault for not giving it more consideration before purchase.
>> OK, tractors... some may recall I picked up a Cub last summer with a
>> sickle mower.  It got parked as I was very busy with home renovations
>> at that time, with deadlines to meet.  Then it got buried at the back
>> of the barn as winter approached.  Now I've got a couple areas I
>> don't mow routinely,  adding up to about 1-1.5 acres, with 3' tall
>> grasses... starting to eye that Cub again...
>> SO
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:18 AM Dean VP < deanvp at att.net
>> <mailto:deanvp at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     The Lawn Mower lives. Runs pretty good too. Idle setting is a bit
>>     mysterious. Hard starting when cold. I’m not sure the choke
>>     butterfly is working properly. It’s nice and free but I can put
>>     it on full choke and nothing happens when it is running. Must be
>>     something not connected right. I did hook up the rod when
>>     installing the carb. Did find out why it was a little wimpy power
>>     wise.  The little flipper that drives the throttle butterfly
>>     needed a little adjustment. Now get full RPM’s at full throttle.
>>     Need to try  to figure out if the choke is working properly then
>>     I think it is ready to go.  I had forgotten how useless the
>>     geared drive is. In low I can hardly keep up with it walking a
>>     fast pace. 2^nd And 3^rd are not useable by this old man.
>>     .Anyway, cleaning up the carb and installing the new kit gets me
>>     a running mower for my Grandson.  Need to make sure it isn’t a
>>     terribly hard starter. Not sure why it had to be so obstinate for
>>     a while
>>
>>     Dean VP
>>
>>     Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>     "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance,
>>     and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
>>     misery."
>>
>>     ..Winston Churchill...
>>
>>     *From:*AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>     <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>> *On Behalf Of
>>     *Cecil Bearden
>>     *Sent:* Monday, June 7, 2021 5:39 AM
>>     *To:* at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>     <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of
>>     cake..... Wrong
>>
>>     I bought one of those little Stihl top handle saws nearly 10
>>     years ago.  I love the balance of it.  I put the longest bar I
>>     could get on it from Bailey's so I could cut brush in fencerows
>>     without bending down so much.   Within 3 hours of using it, the
>>     stop switch quit working.  I have to choke it to kill it.  Still
>>     the same way 10 years later....
>>     Cecil
>>
>>     On 6/7/2021 1:29 AM, Dean VP wrote:
>>
>>         Gene,
>>
>>
>>         I’m jealous. I’m still fighting gas engines.  Your Stepson
>>         lives only 5 or so miles from us.  He is just North West Of
>>         Monroe, WA actually closer to Monroe than Snohomish with a
>>         Snohomish address.  Looks like he is up on the ridge North
>>         and above Evergreen State Fair Grounds which is the county
>>         fairgrounds.  I suspect he gets to hear the Saturday night
>>         racing at the fairgrounds really well. We are 7.5 miles out
>>         of Monroe and when the weather is right we too hear the
>>         racing. The area where he lives is just exploding with new
>>         homes since Monroe is within commuting distance of Seattle
>>         and the High Tech East side. IF… one is willing to put up
>>         with the traffic.  Monroe is right on the junction of 522 and
>>         Hwy 2y which heads over the Cascade Mountain Range to the
>>         Wenatchee area.  522 heads toward Seattle and also intersects
>>         with I405 which heads S into Bellevue.  522 is now mostly a 4
>>         lane road but where it is still only 2 lane it is a traffic
>>         mess for commuters.  WA State DOT does not have a clue about
>>         how to build roads that not only meet current needs but maybe
>>         a few years to the future.   I’ve lived in this state since
>>         1976 an d I have yet to see a road built or refurbished that
>>         wasn’t overloaded the day it was opened. Ok,  I’ll admit we
>>         have seen a huge influx of residents but newcomers are the
>>         ones usually getting the higher paid wages so the tax base
>>         should be going up dramatically.   But WA state is fixing the
>>         traffic problems by building a multi-billion dollar
>>         North/South light rail system that nobody rides.    It is
>>         pretty obvious they are going to let traffic get so bad that
>>         people will finally give up and ride the light rail.   But
>>         those that come in from the East such as those in the Monroe
>>         area are SOL.    With house prices and cost of living going
>>         so crazy high here it won’t be long and we will have a net
>>         loss in population.  The City Governments have so alienated
>>         the population many want to leave and from what I am picking
>>         up on the street is that many Western WA and Western OR
>>         residents are looking East at states like Idaho and Montana.
>>         Several Eastern Oregon counties are trying to attach
>>         themselves to Idaho and if successful Eastern Washington
>>          counties will do the same. Coastal cities in CA are losing
>>         population to states like Texas, AZ and NV.
>>
>>         We winter in AZ and it reminds me so much of when we lived in
>>         SO CA in the 60’s and 70’s. They know how to build roads for
>>         future needs. Even at commute hours one can get to work
>>         driving 30 miles in less than 30 minutes. Yes ,there are
>>         exceptions but they are few and far between.   But….  There
>>         is a huge problem staring California, NV and AZ right in the
>>         face.  The lack of water. They are already restricting water
>>         usage and it isn’t even summer yet. That is going to put a
>>         real limit on how many people can move to AZ and NV. That
>>         leaves Texas as the place to escape to. . IMHO, the movement
>>         of people to the Coastal cities on the West Coast is coming
>>         to an end. As a result of idiotic city governments, the
>>         defund police movements and Covid 19, people want out.  They
>>         want to move out to where we live in the country or further
>>         East out of the state. . I get phone calls at least once a
>>         week from Relators begging us to put our house on the market.
>>         Have active cash buyers they say.   I think it is a bit of BS
>>         but we have lived here for 22 years and it has never been
>>         like this before. It is at best called CRAZY. We are staying
>>         here until we can’t take care of the place any longer. We
>>         figure we have about 5 years left. I will be dead inside of a
>>         year if I have move back in the city.
>>
>>         I almost bought a Battery powered chain saw a couple years
>>         ago but I bought a Smaller/Lighter Stihl which is 2 cycle and
>>         I really like it. It has started easily and I’ve worked its
>>         butt off.   More than I even envisioned when I bought it.  I
>>         had a bigger Stihl which I had owned since 1976 but is
>>         finally gave up  a couple years ago.  Coil went bad and they
>>         are made out of unobtanium. Darn thing only gave me 40 plus
>>         years of service.  They don’t make things like they used to.
>>
>>         Dean VP
>>
>>         Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>>         "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
>>         ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
>>         equal sharing of misery."
>>
>>         ..Winston Churchill...
>>
>>         *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>         <mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of
>>         *Kenneth Gene Waugh
>>         *Sent:* Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:13 PM
>>         *To:* Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
>>         <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>         <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>         *Subject:* Re: [AT] Lawn mower carburetors are a piece of
>>         cake..... Wrong
>>
>>         Dean, THANK YOU!! I have never gotten as involved as most on
>>         this list, and my experience with carburetors is pretty
>>         dismal. Not total failure, but dismal! And my 2 cycle
>>         experience is really, really dismal! Over the past couple
>>         years I have gotten rid of ALL 2 cycle equipment! :-)!! I
>>         have replaced trimmer, blower and a couple other functions
>>         with EGO battery powered equipment. Been very pleased.
>>
>>         Dean, I have a stepson who lives with his wife on 126th St SE
>>         there in Snohomish---nice area!
>>
>>         Gene Waugh
>>
>>         Elgin, IL
>>
>>         On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:38 PM Dean VP <deanvp at att.net
>>         <mailto:deanvp at att.net>> wrote:
>>
>>             You ATIS members need a good laugh once in a while.  This
>>             should help provide that at my expense. ,
>>
>>             One of my Grandsons just purchased his first house which
>>             has a small grass lawn with it. Small enough lawn a
>>             self-propelled 20 - 22" push mower would be just fine. 
>>             Since he is moving out of an apartment he would need to
>>             buy a mower.   I volunteered to give him one of mine that
>>             I have out in the barn that haven't been run for a while.
>>             Don't even remember now when or where I got this one, it
>>             was probably cheap at some garage sale or auction and is
>>             a Toro Model 20216.  Probably 20" to 22" (haven't
>>             measured) deck with a 4HP Briggs motor and it can be
>>             self-propelled with 3 forward gears .Everything worked
>>             fine on it when I used it last probably several years ago
>>             (ran when parked)  and my only two complaints about it
>>             were the 4HP made it underpowered and the aluminum deck
>>             was pretty brittle  and has been welded once. I have been
>>             blessed with a wealth of rocks on  my yard.   I noticed
>>             the deck now has a couple more cracks but the mower is
>>             useable as is all I have to do is get it running.
>>
>>             I cleaned everything up, cleaned the spark plug, changed
>>             oil and put in new gas.  I don't have a manual for the
>>             mower and the only way I could figure out how to get the
>>             old oil out was to either pump it out or lay it on its
>>             side and drain it out the fill tube. . Very dumb and very
>>             owner unfriendly. . Anyway tried to start it. Not even a
>>             pop. Choke full on.   Tried ether. Yep, I could get it to
>>             run for a second or two but obviously not getting gas to
>>             the cylinder. Check gas line, check bowl, yep getting gas
>>             to the carburetor.  Sum Ting Wong with the carburetor.
>>
>>             Now mistakenly I think I know what I'm doing relative to
>>             carburetors with several successful Antique Tractor and
>>             Garden Tractor carburetor rebuilds  under my belt but it
>>             has been a long time since I have worked on a Lawn Mower
>>             Carburetor.   But needing to be humbled a bit I guess I
>>             have forgotten a key detail about Briggs carburetor's. I
>>             pulled the carb, removed the bowl and found a sandy white
>>             substance (dirt?) in the bowl and also in the needle and
>>             seat well.  Not typical of what I have seen in carbs in
>>             the past. But continue to disassemble removing the float
>>             and needle. Don't see a removable seat and disassemble
>>             the rest of the carb.  Run small wires through any
>>             opening I can find and make sure they are clean and blow
>>             air through any passage I can find.  One thing that
>>             happened worried me. I had the air hose nozzle on the gas
>>             intake pipe and a little pop occurred and something hit
>>             me in the face. My observation was that it had come out
>>             of the bottom where the needle seats..   Hmmmm
>>             .............must have been plugged right there. 😊 
>>             Couldn't find what came out. I bet the carburetor will
>>             work now.  Operator now in full idiot mode!😊
>>
>>             Moving on, soaked the carburetor in Pine Sol overnight
>>             and this morning cleaned it with fresh water.  Carburetor
>>             looks like new.  Man.... I am really good.     Hmm, the
>>             bowl gasket has expanded in diameter in the pine sol.
>>             That is not good. But start reassembling the carburetor
>>             and put the float and needle in place  and it is obvious
>>             the needle is dropping too far down and not seating
>>             properly.   Aha, that is what must have blown out and hit
>>             me in the face. Hummmmm how do you blow out a brass
>>             seat?  Now I'm confused.  Get on the internet and watch a
>>             video of an overhaul of this type of lawn mower
>>             carburetor.  Gets to the part about removing the needle
>>             and seat. " An easy way to get the little rubber needle
>>             seat out is to blow air into the gas inlet of the
>>             carburetor"    Been there, done that.   Yep, I can
>>             completely verify that works very well but I didn't know
>>             it when I did it. @#$%^&*()   Now I sure as hell know
>>             what hit me in  the face. I can't find that little
>>             sucker.  So... $9 gets me a carburetor overhaul kit over
>>             night from Amazon.   Needed a new bowl gasket too.  Isn't
>>             it amazing how the problem and solution can hit you right
>>             in the face???
>>
>>             In searching for the right carburetor kit  I noticed I
>>             could buy a whole new carburetor for $10.49. But I have
>>             been down that road before and I was not pleased with
>>             what I received. So I'm staying with the OEM Carburetor. 
>>             One day delivery on the parts.
>>
>>             BTW, I'm not very sure this mower is even worth the $9
>>             carburetor repair kit. But....  I am going to  beat this
>>             sucker into submission. This is the way us old folks turn
>>             one hour jobs into a full day's entertainment.
>>
>>
>>             Dean V
>>             Snohomish, WA 98290
>>             "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
>>             ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
>>             equal sharing of misery."
>>             ..Winston Churchill...
>>
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>>         Gene
>>
>>         Kenneth Gene Waugh
>>
>>         Elgin, Illinois
>>
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