[AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

[deanvp at att.net]

Thanks for the suggestions so far but lets get back to the Ford 800. There is no loader of boom attached to the tractor right now.  I’ve read somewhere about blowing air pressure into the hole.   Need to try that but Santa has gotten in the way right now.

 

Dean VP

Snohomish, WA 98290

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

..Winston Churchill...

 

From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of Jim Becker
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 10:11 PM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Subject: Re: [AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

 

That one was in the 1948 general sales catalog, I’m sure other places as well.  I’m not aware of changes over the years, but don’t know that there weren’t some.

 

Jim

 

From: Carl Szabelski <mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 10:31 PM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
Subject: Re: [AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

 

Seems to be a different schematic than I’ve seen before. I’m currently out of state, so I can’t look at my manuals. I know they made an improvement in the pump to get more pressure. But it was supposed to be the same design and operated the same way. It’ll have to wait till I get home.

 

Carl

On Friday, December 24, 2021, Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com <mailto:mr.jebecker at gmail.com> > wrote:

You would think so.  There has to be something else going on there.

 

Jim

 

From: Carl Szabelski <mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 10:08 PM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
Subject: Re: [AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

 

OK, must have read the manual wrong, it sounded like there was a partial and full position. However, l’ve had the loader fully loaded with nothing on the 3pt, and the loader rises with no movement of the 3pt. The diameter of al three pistons are about the same. I would assume that the 3pt with no load would move first since it involves less work. 

 

Carl

On Friday, December 24, 2021, Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com <mailto:mr.jebecker at gmail.com> > wrote:

There is no “pulling the lever partially” in the H Lift-All.  All 3 outputs get the same pressure.  Whichever cylinder has the least load moves first (considering cylinder diameter).  There is pushing the lever partially to get the front outlets to drop first.

 

Jim Becker

 

From: Carl Szabelski <mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 7:00 PM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
Subject: Re: [AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

 

It is a Farmall H, but I have one way cylinders, pressure up, gravity down. I agree that the reservoir is small, but I should be able to raise the loader and the 3pt independently by pulling the lever partially, or fully back. I believe I have an internal seal leak in the pump which does not allow me to direct the output. Removing the pump is no easy task and the repair kits are costly. The tank I’ll eventually add will give me 5 gal of fluid and the controllers will allow me to raise and lower both independently or at the same time. They’ll also be mounted near the steering wheel for ease of operation. I’ve also got a live hydraulic pump that mounts in place of the distributor and runs off of the timing gear. I just have to verify that I’ve got the hardened timing gear, or will have to be careful that I don’t max out the pump and strip any teeth off of the timing gear. I can then use the belly pump for some other purpose without having to disconnect the loader or 3pt, like feeding a small log splitter.

 

Carl

On Friday, December 24, 2021, Aaron Dickinson <a_dickinson at att.net <mailto:a_dickinson at att.net> > wrote:

Carl, 

 

If your H is a Farmall H and you are using the belly pump and controls, the reservoir is small, the international 30 and 31 power loaders used long cylinders which are ported on both ends and look like two way cylinders, but are plumbed to use the top part of the cylinders as reservoirs so that there would be enough oil to raise the loader. Also there is a delay/priority valve between the two front outlets and the rear outlet to aid in raising and lowering cultivators. As you approach the end of the field cultivating and pull the lever to raise them, the front gangs raise first, once fully raised the rear gangs raise. Once you make your turn and head back down the rows, push the lever forward and the front gangs lower, then the rear. International made a remote cylinder control valve that mounted on the fill neck and plumbed to one of the front ports, it allowed the use of a remote two-way cylinder.

 

Aaron Dickinson

Mason, MI

 

 

From: Carl Szabelski <mailto:c.s.szabelski at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2021 10:39 AM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <mailto:at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
Subject: Re: [AT] 800 Ford tractor 3 point

 

Dean, 

 

Not familiar with the 800, so not sure if this applies to you or not. On my H I have both front loader and 3pt. When I pull back on the lever the loader will raise all the way to it’s max height and the 3pt will rise maybe an inch and that’s all. It’s a matter of pushing all the fluid into the loader cylinders and then there not being enough for the 3pt. In order to use the 3pt during the summer when I don’t need to use the loader, I simply run a chain from both loader arms under the front frame to keep the loader from rising too high, then the 3pt can rise to it’s max height. I shouldn’t have to do that, but I think there is an issue with my pump valves that won’t let me control where the oil goes. There’s just not enough fluid volume to use both sets of cylinders at the same time. I’ve got an auxiliary tank and a set of control valves that I plan to plumb in so that I can increase the fluid quantity and have independent cylinder controls, but just haven’t gotten around to it yet. 

 

Carl

On Thursday, December 23, 2021, <deanvp at att.net <mailto:deanvp at att.net> > wrote:

I would appreciate some help from you Ford tractor experts.  Have successfully sold the Ford Jubilee at a good price but not the boom pole that was attached to the 3 point. We need that for lift other stuff in the future. So we attached it to the 3 point on a Ford 800 only to find out the 3 point isn’t working at all. The dipstick shows being full of hydraulic oil. The next step is to try to bleed system at the pump up font.   Assuming we are successful at that and it still doesn’t work what would you recommend for further diagnostic checks?  The 3 Son’s have no knowledge of tractors at all and I have very limited knowledge regarding the N Series on up.  I’m trying to help since they are allowing me shop space free of charge.

 

Dean VP

Apache Junction, AZ

 

 

 

 

 

 

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