[AT] Tractor Weekend (Spencer Yost) (deanvp at att.net)
STEVE ALLEN
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Thu May 28 13:11:25 PDT 2020
Dena,
I can only speculate on what plugged that carb up. It was used for several years by my brother in TX before it came back to MO. Somewhere in that time, it began loosing power. When it came back, we sent the carb off to a "professional," well-regarded shop, and it came back no better. We have had the head rebuilt--no change.
I think I now know why the engine had no power--it couldn't have the way that carb was p[lugged, and the shop did not do it justice.
Anyway, it has sat for almost 20 years now. We are going through all of it, and we'll take preventative measures with the fuel system. tThe tank is bone dry, of course. Haven't got that far yet.
As tot he oil, are you saying that we should NOT use the GL-3 85w-140? We haven't changed the transmission oil yet, so we can still return it and get the stuff from NAPA.
The "original" Steve Allen
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1. Re: Tractor Weekend (Spencer Yost) (STEVE ALLEN)
2. Re: Tractor Weekend (Spencer Yost) (deanvp at att.net)
3. Re: Rear End Lube (deanvp at att.net)
4. Re: Rear End Lube (Ron Cook)
5. Re: Rear End Lube (Cecil Bearden)
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT)
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Spencer,
I *think* it's a top leak: we had plenty of rain since I drained the clear water out the first time. On top of the water was old but black oil.
Then, we ran it some, several times, and it rained a LOT, plenty of rain to let water leak into it. Near as we can tell, the coolant has not dropped enough to indicate that it is mixing with the oil (just a little bit of drop, which I attribute to having filled a nearly empty system).
We will continue to keep an eye on the level, and, first chance I get, I'll pull that cap with it running to see if there is any evidence of bubbles.
Thanks to those who confirmed 85w-140 is OK. It is GL-3,a nd the label confirms safe for bronze. The tranny, too, is a milkshake, as is the Powr-Trol (possibly partly a function of water in the hydraulic lines from the brushhog, which has sat for a few years). The only fluid I haven't had to change is the air ;-)
Update on the '47 B: the carb is cleaned up thoroughly--all the passages drilled out, all the crud removed, all the bits and pieces back together except for the new float. My! but those passages were plugged up! The carb was supposedly gone through by a professional at one point, and that attention didn't seem to do any good. Now, I know why. The tractor had no power at all. I have learned a lot since then. No expert, of course, but we are now certain that all the passages are free and open, that the nozzle is clean and the well clear, and the bowl vents are open.
My son is now eyeing the starter. We inspected the switch--it was replaced not long before the tractor was parked, and it cleaned up well. I can't tell you how tickled I will be if this puppy (fawn??) is back to its old self after all this attention! More work to do, but progress is being made.
I hope this weekend to be able to get back to the mag on the '49 A.
The "original" Steve Allen
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So Steve, the ?on top? leak: Is that a leak from rain (what I thought) or a coolant leak as Cecil surmised?
Spencer
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Steve,
Make sure you have fixed the cause of the carburetor getting plugged up or
you will need to clean it again.
Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290
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Spencer,
I *think* it's a top leak: we had plenty of rain since I drained the clear
water out the first time. On top of the water was old but black oil.
Then, we ran it some, several times, and it rained a LOT, plenty of rain to
let water leak into it. Near as we can tell, the coolant has not dropped
enough to indicate that it is mixing with the oil (just a little bit of
drop, which I attribute to having filled a nearly empty system).
We will continue to keep an eye on the level, and, first chance I get, I'll
pull that cap with it running to see if there is any evidence of bubbles.
Thanks to those who confirmed 85w-140 is OK. It is GL-3,a nd the label
confirms safe for bronze. The tranny, too, is a milkshake, as is the
Powr-Trol (possibly partly a function of water in the hydraulic lines from
the brushhog, which has sat for a few years). The only fluid I haven't had
to change is the air ;-)
Update on the '47 B: the carb is cleaned up thoroughly--all the passages
drilled out, all the crud removed, all the bits and pieces back together
except for the new float. My! but those passages were plugged up! The carb
was supposedly gone through by a professional at one point, and that
attention didn't seem to do any good. Now, I know why. The tractor had no
power at all. I have learned a lot since then. No expert, of course, but
we are now certain that all the passages are free and open, that the nozzle
is clean and the well clear, and the bowl vents are open.
My son is now eyeing the starter. We inspected the switch--it was replaced
not long before the tractor was parked, and it cleaned up well. I can't
tell you how tickled I will be if this puppy (fawn??) is back to its old
self after all this attention! More work to do, but progress is being made.
I hope this weekend to be able to get back to the mag on the '49 A.
The "original" Steve Allen
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So Steve, the ?on top? leak: Is that a leak from rain (what I thought) or
a coolant leak as Cecil surmised?
Spencer
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This is the only transmission/differential oil I recommend for the old JD
tractors: https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FHQ65205
Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290
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Quick question, gents. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but I
can't find it.
Manual for my As and B specify 90 wt gear oil for the transmission. Will
85-140 work? The spec says it's safe for copper/bronze.
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The "original" Steve Allen
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That is the correct one.
Ron Cook, Salix, IA
On 5/27/2020 4:18 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
> This is the only transmission/differential oil I recommend for the old JD
> tractors: https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FHQ65205
>
>
> Dean VP
> Snohomish, WA 98290
>
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>
> Quick question, gents. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before, but I
> can't find it.
>
> Manual for my As and B specify 90 wt gear oil for the transmission. Will
> 85-140 work? The spec says it's safe for copper/bronze.
>
> Thanks,
> The "original" Steve Allen
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Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 22:11:16 -0500
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I believe that is what we called PMO 90wt.? when I worked on the old
masseys snd fords.? Pure Mineral Oil.
Cecil
On 5/27/2020 6:53 PM, Ron Cook wrote:
> That is the correct one.
>
> Ron Cook, Salix, IA
>
> On 5/27/2020 4:18 PM, deanvp at att.net wrote:
>> This is the only transmission/differential oil I recommend for the
>> old JD
>> tractors:? https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FHQ65205
>>
>>
>> Dean VP
>> Snohomish, WA 98290
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> On Behalf Of STEVE ALLEN
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:52 PM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: [AT] Rear End Lube
>>
>> Quick question, gents. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed
>> before, but I
>> can't find it.
>>
>> Manual for my As and B specify 90 wt gear oil for the transmission.?
>> Will
>> 85-140 work?? The spec says it's safe for copper/bronze.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> The "original" Steve Allen
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