[AT] Rivets and rivet countersink

[Mark Greer]

Amazon link for the tool.
https://www.amazon.com/MACs-Auto-Parts-28-68184-Riveting/dp/B01BSZCMGK


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:29 AM <deanvp at att.net> wrote:

> Anyone interested in this rivet tool Amazon has this tool for $18
> something with free freight.
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> Dean VP
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> *From:* AT <at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com> *On Behalf Of *Cecil
> Bearden
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 9:06 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersink
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> Yo might take a look at this
> https://www.ecklers.com/brake-shoe-lining-riveting-tool-removes-and-installs-47-68184-1.html
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> Cecil
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> On 3/9/2020 9:05 AM, jdnut at aol.com wrote:
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> A bit of an update on this, since I think I started this thread.  Thanks
> for all that responded.
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> In looking at some of the antique car sites.... it looks to me like the
> Pliobond HT-30 adhesive available from McMaster for about $46 per quart is
> probably a reasonable choice to bond the linings to the brake shoes.  The
> drawback is that it needs to be cured for 30 minutes at 300 degrees.  Given
> that there are places where it can't be sent... I suspect there are fumes
> involved, thus not for home kitchen use.
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> Some of the car people mentioned using JB Weld, .... but due to the lower
> melting point compared to the Pliobond, most of the people thought it was a
> safety hazard in cars.  Supposedly, the JB Weld can stand 500 degrees F,
> with short transients to 600 degrees.  In my tractor usage, it is not like
> I am using my brakes down a long steep highway hill.
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> I have been doing some removal of brakes from part of my herd, and I have
> quite a bit of brake lining work ahead.  For the most part, I am planning
> on doing the combination of adhesive (probably JB Weld) and rivets.  For
> the linings that I have to drill and countersink the holes, I followed the
> advice of one of the respondents, and purchased a set of brad point bits
> from HF, along with some of the little circular stops that can be put on
> the bits.  I need to file the cutters on the outside of the bits flat with
> the rest of the bit, but overall I felt pretty good about the HF purchase.
> McMaster also looks to be a decent place to buy rivets.  I figure the
> adhesive will help hold things in place better than vice grips when doing
> the drilling and countersinking.  I pretty much work by myself, this is a
> job that another pair of hands might be useful.
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> If I have a measure of success, I will send along some pictures.
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> Thanks again, take care,
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> John Maxwell, Ferndale CA
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> From: Indiana Robinson <robinson46176 at gmail.com> <robinson46176 at gmail.com>
> To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
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> Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 3:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [AT] Rivets and rivet countersink
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> I Googled brake shoe adhesive and got a boat load of stuff. I suspect that
> a lot of auto parts places have it on hand, especially someplace like NAPA
> stock it or can at least order it. One site for Raybestos says it has it in
> quart cans.
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> A combination of adhesive and rivets would probably be a good move.
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> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:57 AM James Peck <jamesgpeck at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I had a contact who had retired from the former Detroit axle facility of
> chrysler. He made the point that that facility had an extremely wide range
> of manufacturing processes, including bonding brake linings to shoes.
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> Cecil Bearden AT List member, Oklahoma farmer, and Professional Engineer (
> crbearden at copper.net); Just an afterthought.  Most brake shoes are
> bonded.  A heat curing glue is used to glue the shoe to the lining.  If you
> can find the glue the rivets would hold the lining on until the glue would
> set.  I have a brake shoe oven, bought long ago at a Chrysler dealership
> that started out as a blacksmith shop in the late 1800's.  However, the
> glue can was empty and no label.
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