[AT] OT - Any HVAC people on here

Thu Jun 25 20:56:57 PDT 2020

Why are you done Brad, are you mad?

On 6/25/2020 8:08 AM, bradloomis at charter.net wrote:
> Once you have made the brand decision, (good finds by Carl) installation is as much, if not more important. If your ducts are over 5 years old they leak. Again ductwork that leaks are a huge loss and at least here in California when one replaces a system the ducts need to be tested for leakage. Been the law here in California for the last two years. Of course there are those that scream overregulation and don't bother or don't even get the required permits to do the work, but if a contractor is worth his or her salt then they should do all those things. Then they are more likely to do a quality install and not some hack job. Of course higher cost.
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> Just for the heck of it, this evening I talked to my friend (friends for 55 years) that I worked for in the late 70s early 80s. He's been an HVAC contractor since 1974. We talked brands, installs, and efficiency. His explanation was spot on talking about efficiency. Studies have shown that the AVERAGE 20 year old and older homes duct leaks are 30%. That's heat or cooling in your crawl space or attic. He said systems we installed when I worked for him, by design of the time the ductwork using only duct tape were  leaky as heck. Natural gas was cheap and nobody cared about climate or the costs really. In a nutshell if you get your ducts sealed and use high efficiency equipment in heating alone it is possible to go from needing a 100,000 btu furnace to even as low as 40,000 btu. Cooling load will of course also come down. That will save you some coin for sure. Check out some of the HVAC Facebook groups. Unbelievable what kind of work people do. I couldn't live with myself if I did that kind of stuff. I'm coming from the perspective of being a licensed refrigeration contractor who jumped thru the hoops and always played by the rules. And a bit of pride in my workmanship. I'm done.
> My .02¢
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> If you click on some of the other links in the HVAC.com website there are all sorts of discussions on what you should be considering when buying a unit, including a recommendation for the type of furnace based on where you live (temperature related zones). Once you figure out what you really need, you can then decide on which brand you want to purchase.
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> When I did heat and air in the 80s I worked for a Day and Night dealer. Good units. Came off the same line as Bryant and Payne units. Did a week long school at the factory that was in The City of Industry. Carrier shot themselves in the foot in the later years when they took their parts in house and basically told dealers to piss off. As Carl’s link shows, the current Day and Night brand is NOT really the same Carrier units as years past. None of those brands, under the ICP or whatever it is were high on the hit parade of quality, ‘contractor’ lines. Tract house jobs. But then again, I’ve been out of the business as even a tech for a long while so who knows. Carrier recently went back as an independent company, out from under the UTC umbrella. Hopefully that will help return them to the leader they always were. I was sold on Mitsubishi mini-splits but with the recent advent of branding with Trane I’m not so sure anymore. Again, they are all a crap shoot. Like cars, some are better than others and you can get the perfect one or the real lemon. Glad my home is done for what should be the duration of my breathing.
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> I'm looking to replace an A/C unit.  Dealer is pushing Day & Night brand.  I understand they are owned by Carrier.  Anyone have any comments good or bad?  Thanks
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> On 6/24/2020 1:47 PM, Mogrits wrote:
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> This doesn't respond to the original post situation but I can say I've personally installed three mini-split systems. Two were Klimaire Brand single headed units and I have been well-pleased with them. The second one of the two did arrive slightly low on coolant and I had to have a friend in the HVAC business come and add a little coolant.
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> The third unit was a C&H Branded unit with one outside unit and four inside heads. It performs perfectly for my uses.
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> All of the above are heat pumps, and they heat well even when outside temps are in the teens. If one was to install a unit themselves, they'd do well to buy, rent or borrow a vacuum pump to evacuate the lines before releasing the refrigerant. I've done it both ways, but I know evacuating is the best way to check for leaks and remove moisture.
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