[AT] Poison Ivy
Al Jones
farmallsupera1 at gmail.com
Sun Jun 14 16:06:39 PDT 2020
I agree Cecil, it’s not politics, it’s science.
Roundup is probably the safest herbicide there is and I’m not the least bit scared of it, but I don’t put it in my coffee either!
Al
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> On Jun 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Cecil Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
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> I will not get into a political fight with anyone here, but I remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and grandfather used it also. They lived long lives and finally died due to a Dr. screwup. DDT was determined to make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the problem was either genetic or nutritional. It was a Judge who determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to be possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified laboratory. I think both decisions were motivated by greed on the part of the chemical manufacturer, not comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT had been around so long the patents had run out. Same with Roundup.
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> That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them I use the maximum rate according to label directions. Then, immediately when I finish I throw the clothes in the washer and wash twice. I immediately take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I wash the equipment and afterwards wash my clothes and take a shower again.. My Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in the late 60's early 70's with no cab on the tractor. We should have taken more precautions than we did, but we washed our hands a lot.....
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> You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common sense....
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> Cecil
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> On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM, toma at risingnet.net wrote:
>> I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.
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>> From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would still be very careful with it.
>>
>> Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your cultivators boys.
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>> Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com:
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>> I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that
>> it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful
>> with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the
>> farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's
>> sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a
>> backpack sprayer.
>> > Mike M
>> >On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of
>> a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot print
>> of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide
>> if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I also
>> leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints
>> are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general
>> consensus.
>>
>> >>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.
>> The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When that
>> vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.
>> >>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to
>> tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the
>> cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no
>> financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
>> >>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have
>> to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my
>> poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring.
>> I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while
>> she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy
>> stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.
>> >>Spencer
>> >>Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen
>> Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max
>> Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the
>> gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon. I'm
>> sure it's a better value in larger quantities. I don't
>> think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.
>>
>> >>>SO
>> >>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020
>> at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's
>> pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to
>> try the vinegar solution first because its cheap
>> and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I had a
>> small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back
>> the results. Thanks all for the info.
>> >>>> Mike M
>> >>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>> >>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
>> >>>>>On Fri, Jun
>> 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>I have
>> scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone
>> have a secret recipe
>> >>>>>> to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible
>> to it, but my daughter
>> >>>>>> is. Also I've read that your reaction to it
>> can change over time.
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Mike M
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