[AT] Poison Ivy
Aaron Dickinson
a_dickinson at att.net
Sun Jun 14 07:12:18 PDT 2020
I am sitting on a gold mine. I have cultivators for Farmall A, Farmall H/M, John Deere B, Massey Ferguson 85, any two row three point. Rotary hoes for two row three point and six row three point. Tillage equipment from two row to six row. I knew there was a reason to hang on to all this stuff, just been waiting for the no-till to die and organic to win over.
Aaron Dickinson
Mason, Mi
From: Cecil Bearden
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
To: Antique Tractor Email Discussion Group
I will not get into a political fight with anyone here, but I remember using DDT as a kid and my Dad and grandfather used it also. They lived long lives and finally died due to a Dr. screwup. DDT was determined to make eagle eggs have a thinner shell when the problem was either genetic or nutritional. It was a Judge who determined the fate of DDT. Roundup was determined to be possibly carcinogenic by a court, not a certified laboratory. I think both decisions were motivated by greed on the part of the chemical manufacturer, not comprehensive real laboratory tests. DDT had been around so long the patents had run out. Same with Roundup.
That said, I use chemicals sparingly, but when I use them I use the maximum rate according to label directions. Then, immediately when I finish I throw the clothes in the washer and wash twice. I immediately take a shower with cold water first then hot., then I wash the equipment and afterwards wash my clothes and take a shower again.. My Dad & I sprayed 2-4D and 2-4-5T back in the late 60's early 70's with no cab on the tractor. We should have taken more precautions than we did, but we washed our hands a lot.....
You just don't take a bath in it, and use a little common sense....
Cecil
On 6/14/2020 7:10 AM, toma at risingnet.net wrote:
I don't use Roundup any more at all. 2-4 D is certainly no safer. 2-4 D is closely related to 2-4-5 T, the famous agent orange that killed all the Vietnam vets. As I recall 2- 4 D was known as agent yellow before all the carcenogenic effects were known. My grandfather died of Hodgkin's Disease after using 2-4-5 T.
From the write-up I read about Triclopyr it has been extensively tested in rats and found to have no carcenogenic properties. I may consider trying it because we have so much Poison Oak around here.I would still be very careful with it.
Triclopyr might be a good safer alternative to 2-4 D because it can be mixed to effect broadleafs only. I fear there is no safer alternative to Roundup for use on Roundup ready crops. Better get out your cultivators boys.
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Saturday, 13 June 2020, 10:30PM -07:00 from Mike M meulenms at gmx.com:
>
I used to use Round Up on everything, since the recent finding that
it may be carcinogenic, I still use it, but am more careful
with it, and use 2-4D when I can. This doesn't protect me from the
farmer across the road who sprays all 250 acres with it, but that's
sprayed from an enclosed cab with specialized equipment, not a
backpack sprayer.
> Mike M
>On 6/13/2020 7:06 PM, Spencer Yost
wrote:
>>
I doubt it’s about the money - more about an approach with less of
a chemical footprint. I know zip about that chemical foot print
of the compounds discussed here so I leave it to others to decide
if that chemical footprint is worth a concern or not. I also
leave everyone with the reminder that not all chemical footprints
are well known, regardless of the labeling and short term general
consensus.
>>Personally I just use roundup on the low, bushy poison ivy.
The climbing vines I hack a 1’ section out of it. When that
vine re-emerges I hit it with round up. Works great.
>>I have to have round-up for the grasses and weeds that try to
tear up the edges and cracks of our private asphalt road. So the
cost of a little extra round-up for poison ivy control is of no
financial/chemical footprint concern to me.
>>I have very little reaction to poison ivy. I pretty much have
to roll around in it for me to even get a few blisters. But my
poor wife really suffers. She generally gets it in early spring.
I assume she’s getting into the roots of the poison ivy while
she’s planting annuals and working beds before the low bushy
stuff emerges and can been seen/identified.
>>Spencer
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Stephen
Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>How much do you pay for vinegar? Ortho Max
Poison Ivy is 8% Triclopyr and you mix 4 oz to the
gallon. A 16oz jug is $8.00, so $2.00 per gallon. I'm
sure it's a better value in larger quantities. I don't
think I can find vinegar as cheap as $2 a gallon.
>>>SO
>>>On Fri, Jun 12, 2020
at 11:34 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
wrote:
>>>> I've read of the Triclopyr as well but it's
pricey for the area I need to cover. I'm going to
try the vinegar solution first because its cheap
and so am I. Brush be gone would be fine if I had a
small area to clear, but I don't. I'll report back
the results. Thanks all for the info.
>>>> Mike M
>>>>On 6/12/2020 6:22 PM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>>Ortho Brush-B-Gone (Triclopyr)
>>>>>On Fri, Jun
12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Mike M <meulenms at gmx.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>I have
scads of poison ivy around my place, anyone
have a secret recipe
>>>>>> to nuke this stuff? I'm not overly susceptible
to it, but my daughter
>>>>>> is. Also I've read that your reaction to it
can change over time.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Mike M
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